Lehman Brothers Financial SA (CE) (LEHNQ) Quote

can i sell my stocks for free to somebody because i am so scared of loosing everything.

I hope a can not go less than zero but when i read your posts everything negative is possible.

breaker, I am so happy to read yours posts and i hold common stocks. I know i was am idiot. Now its to late i can not sell. Its to late. I am here sicnce 2009 but your input is so important for me/us. Now i know equity is on the end of the waterfall and yes you are right therefore equity will never see money and commons will never ever seee money. Our lottery ticket was too expensive. I am always happy to get new stuff from you.

LBHI's CTs Holders' Successor Rights are Good!

AI Investors don't typically "steal" stocks in the sense of physically taking them. Instead, the term "stealing" in the context of stock investing usually refers to illegal activities like insider trading or stock manipulation where individuals deceive or defraud other investors for personal gain.
Here's a breakdown:
1. Insider Trading:
This involves buying or selling securities based on material, nonpublic information about a company.
For example, an executive might learn about a positive earnings report before it's released to the public and then buy the stock, profiting when the price rises after the announcement.
Insider trading is illegal because it gives those with access to nonpublic information an unfair advantage, undermining the integrity of the market.
2. Stock Manipulation:
This involves artificially influencing the price of a stock to deceive other investors.
Examples include spreading false information, "pump and dump" schemes (where promoters hype up a stock and then sell their shares at a higher price), or wash trading (buying and selling the same security to create the appearance of high trading volume).
These schemes are designed to mislead investors into making purchase or sale decisions based on false information, ultimately leading to financial losses for those deceived.
3. Why Investors Might Engage in These Activities:
Greed:
The desire for quick profits can be a powerful motivator, especially when investors perceive an opportunity to make large sums of money through illegal means.
Risk Tolerance:
Some investors may be willing to take on higher risks, including illegal ones, if they believe the potential rewards outweigh the risks.
Lack of Awareness:
Some investors may not fully understand the laws and regulations surrounding stock trading, or they may underestimate the potential consequences of engaging in illegal activities.
4. Consequences of Illegal Activities:
Severe penalties, including fines, imprisonment, and restrictions on future trading activities.
Damage to the reputation and credibility of individuals and firms involved.
Erosion of trust in the stock market and financial system.
In essence, while investors may seek out "risky" or unconventional investments, "stealing" stocks refers to illegal activities that involve deception and fraud, not simply taking physical possession of stock certificates.

"I was thinking..." That's your problem. The $7 billion in legal and administrative fees didn't "steal" shareholder money - shareholders are last in line. Why you all refuse to accept the priority waterfall is beyond me. So even if fees were $0, those billions wouldn't automatically go to equity - they would first go to tens of billions in creditor claims that have absolute priority. Legal / administrative fees are the cost of the recovery process itself. Go figure...

I was thinking, but how can you pay 7 billion dollars to the lawyers when with those 7 billion you would have paid all the shareholders of Lehman, we realize the waste of money... it only means one thing that there are so many recoveries to cover and satisfy everyone💪🙏🙏

Historical Basis from 2020:

Docket # 60748
👅Filed Jul 24 2020
Motion to Approve : Motion of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. for Approval of Plan Trust Amendment and Extension of Term of Plan Trust filed by Jacqueline Marcus on behalf of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. with hearing to be held on 8/17/2020 at 10:30 AM at Courtroom 623 (SCC) Responses due by 8/4/2020,. (Marcus, Jacqueline) Less
Case Number 08-13555 Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.

where can you see the assets of 600Bil

1 to 1.5% of total assets could be Legal charges, may be assets grew to around $600 B to $700 B, JMO.

Next Date : July 9th, 2025...We'll Wait...

Exactly within the range I stated. Go figure…

Capital stack priority payments. You seem to refuse to accept that. I don’t know why. Go figure…

so I think or it should be logical that if the lawyers were overpaid with the money we invested I imagine that there are so many to overpay everyone including the CTs and common shareholders ... because otherwise there will be a revolution like the French one💪💪💪

$7B+ AI Overview



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Lehman Brothers' bankruptcy, the largest in US history, has incurred over $7 billion in professional fees, including attorney and other consulting fees. These fees, which are paid from the same pool of money used to repay creditors, have been a significant factor in the overall cost of the bankruptcy process.
Breakdown of Fees:
Law firms:
Over 30 law firms were involved in the case, with fees exceeding $1 billion.
Alvarez & Marsal:
The firm managing the liquidation of Lehman's assets received over $627 million in fees.
Other professionals:
Consultants, accountants, and other advisors also received substantial fees, contributing to the overall total.
Total Costs:
The total expenses for the Chapter 11 and SIPA proceedings reached approximately $7.26 billion, including professional fees and other operational costs.
Key Points:
The fees are publicly available because they are paid from the same funds designated to repay creditors.
The U.S. Trustee Program, which oversees bankruptcies, has been working to regulate spending and ensure maximum recovery for creditors.
Some fees have been deemed excessive, and the Trustee is working on new guidelines to increase disclosure and oversight.
Why are these fees so high?
Lehman's bankruptcy was the largest in U.S. history, involving complex legal and financial issues that required extensive professional expertise. The sheer volume of assets and liabilities, the number of creditors involved, and the need to unwind complex financial transactions all contributed to the high cost of the bankruptcy process.

Right!! 👍🏽

Just keep your eyes on December 6, 2025. It could change in July 2025 based on how I feel about this Bankruptcy. This Bankruptcy is a Global party for the fat cats. No more Plan Trust Extensions Sir. Show us some love by sharing the big bucks Sir. End the secret society!

The CTs' should have been paid many years ago since Barclay's and LBHI's Asset Management Business started making money off of our legacy assets and other outside business. My Basis!

Thank you cheese. Glad your doing well and spreading your wings. 
BTW. HAPPY FATHERS DAY TO YOU DADS OUT THERE.
Cheese reminded me.  😅

Lawyers were already paid. About $2 billion. This happened years ago

JJ. Fair and Equitable; No Unfair Discrimination (11 U.S.C. § 1129(b)).
Based on the Disclosure Statement, the Debtors’ Memorandum of Law In Support of the Global
Settlement, the Debtors’ Memorandum of Law In Support of Confirmation of the Plan, the
Suckow Declaration, and the Debtors’ Response, the Plan (i) does not discriminate unfairly, and
(ii) is fair and equitable as to LBHI Classes 10A, 10B, 10C and 11 and the Equity Interests in
each Debtor, which Classes were deemed to reject the Plan, as required by section 1129(b)(1) of
the Bankruptcy Code.
Page 21/347
https://document.epiq11.com/document/getdocumentbycode?docId=1458176&projectCode=LBH&source=DM

FF. Feasibility (11 U.S.C. § 1129(a)(11)). The Debtors’ Memorandum of Law
in Support of Confirmation, the Disclosure Statement and the Suckow Declaration are persuasive
and credible evidence that each Debtor will have sufficient funds to continue to manage its assets
and make all payments required under the Plan. Accordingly, the Plan satisfies the requirements
of section 1129(a)(11) of the Bankruptcy Code.
https://document.epiq11.com/document/getdocumentbycode?docId=1458176&projectCode=LBH&source=DM

Just been grinding lately

Recently moved to an apartment in San Diego

Very nice place, it has a community jacuzzi! (Got dizzy after 20 minutes and had to get out) LOL

P.S happy Father’s Day jersey!

Hi cheese. So go to see you. 

>>I do hope that young man, SwissCheese, moved on.

I moved up: https://patents.google.com/patent/US12151160B1/

:)

Good morning J.

The reality is we're hitchhikers for whatever comes next. GLTA

Interesting

What did Marvin Gaye say about David Ruffin?

David Ruffin - Wikipedia
His contemporary, label-mate, and long-time acquaintance Marvin Gaye was particularly impressed with the virility of Ruffin's voice. Gaye said Ruffin's work "made me remember that when a lot of women listen to music, they want to feel the power of a real man."

I am assuming between 54 - 58?

Lehman, this soul of mine was born to chase the wind!

I guess the soul of mine was born to chase the wind

David Ruffin:

Rovin’ Kind Lyrics
[Verse 1]
Not gonna be the one to bring you the news
'Cause I have the one who claimed to be in love
At the crack of dawn, sun shining in my eyes
I'll be movin' on, oh, as an eagle flies

[Chorus]
I don't know why, but my heart, it change its mind
Yes sir, I'll always be
Guess I'll always be the rovin' kind
Got to follow the sun
Stay on the run
Listen, I'm moving on
Got to follow the sun
Stay on the run, yes I have
[Verse 2]
With a tortured song that I know and don't
I'm running 'round
Oh, I love you so, but I know I've got to find
If there's a way to end this urge that drives me on
Wh?n will it end, I can't tell
You see, the highway's still my hom?

[Chorus]
I don't know why, but my heart, it change its mind
Yes sir, I'll always be the ro-
The rovin' kind
I got to follow the sun
Oh, stay on the run, yeah
I'm moving on, moving on
Got to follow the sun
Stay on the run, listen

[Bridge]
From Tucson, Arizona
Down to old San Juan
Through the hills of West Virginia
And the mountains far, far beyond
Rumbling over the backroads of old Tennessee
As I move along, I hum this song
Love's been good to me, yeah


Rolling over the country roads beneath the star-lit skies
I'm a long way from your heart, but I'll be back, by and by

[Verse 3]
Chasing the sun as it goes down in the west
Yes, I'm the guy who will never know rest
But I'm back again to find my rainbows' end
I guess the soul of mine was born to chase the wind

[Chorus]
I don't know why, but my heart, it change its mind
Yes sir, I'll always be
The rovin' kind, yeah
Got to follow the sun
Stay on the run
I'm moving on
Got to follow the sun, yeah

Perfect !
The Pinata. 

May be he is interested?.

And a poster asked me "How old I was?"



I was born on a wednesday. We're all mostly dancing to the music we hear.

Wrong. It looks like that guy has a similar position as mine regarding the outlook. Go figure…

joestocks=breaker
when breaker got booted out, joe appears. lol. something good must be on our way much sooner, not that it was not on our way. hold.

I miss you
Lol

"Just when I think I am out,....I am pulled back in...."

Oh, my...you all are still here. It is been a while. I thought the LBHI was suppose to close the books in 2025. The the fate of the CT's was known back in 2012 with the approval of the Liquidation plan. Yet, you are still married to this stock 13 years later - 17 years after filing BK. Codependency? ...excessive emotional or psychological reliance on a partner (CTs), typically one who requires support (LBHI) on account of an illness or addiction (or bankruptcy).
I do hope that young man, SwissCheese, moved on.

Well, His Actual Problem Is: he Sold His Entry "Lotto Tickets" to the Hot Party to someone Else for Pennies on the $$ and now he sees they are having a Blast and He wants Back In to the Party But they Locked the Door to the Party Hall....

Ok, You provided No New Info to substantiate your Claim! BLAH..BLAH,,,BLAH BLAH,,BLAH...BLAH.... We all ALREADY KNOW what you are saying...

What can I say, I am an eternal optimistic struggling with a healthy dose of reality. No I do not see any financial form or payment or recovery or whatever you want to call it coming to the CT’s. My official stance is they will be retired once they can be done so legally in accordance with the plan. So yes, it’s possible, just like it’s possible that a rogue planet could enter our solar system and smash into earth obliterating it, but it’s not probable. Go figure…

"It’s hard to even call this a lottery ticket. Is it possible for a future financial payment to the CT’s? Yes. Is it probable? Absolutely not."

You tell us it is possible but... possible is subject to a probability from 1-100%. Then you say it is ABSOLUTELY not probable. Comedy... The problem is you dont want to tell us that we was buying a hot lottery ticket.

You seem to be frustrated this isn’t going the way you want it to go for your benefit. I don’t know what to tell you. The plan is being executed per the plan and per bankruptcy precedent where that applies (largest historical bankruptcy ever). This is all very predictable and procedural. There’s nothing hidden. Go figure…

On what basis are you saying that? We are talking NOW, NOT 10 Years back when a TON of Recoveries ( In Billions $$$) were readily available from Assets Liquidated and were getting paid out to Sr. Creditors...However, in the last 4 Quarters, the "Distributions' have trickled down to few millions at best and lawyer fees for all the firms involved could have been 50% of that 'Recovered Amount', if not more...

I don’t pay attention to them. The legal fees aren’t even close. I’d estimate around $7.5 billion. LBHI has paid out $129 billion. Go figure…

Ever note the lawyer fees are not ever on the MOR??

Legal fees aren’t even close to the recoveries. Go figure…

Hmm...Two more Months...Aug 7th can't come Soon Enough,,. ,Enough of the Lawyers Feeding at the Trough... Law Firms cannot be Paid MORE than the 'recoveries'....

The man ❤️ will never mention the CTs' Successor Rights 💲on this board. Because LBHI's Asset Management Business is alive.👅

Thank you sir. I couldn't agree more. 

Out of curiosity, resist what? I’m not trying to push anyone to do anything. I’m just telling you all that you shouldn’t expect to be paid anything. I’ve given way more details to back up why they won’t vs. the arguments presented here that they should.

You all have the expectation of payment mentality, and I’m telling you all that that is the wrong mentality. This is so far away from the guarantee that you all demand. It’s absurd. It’s rude. Respect the capital stack and know your place in this process.

It’s hard to even call this a lottery ticket. Is it possible for a future financial payment to the CT’s? Yes. Is it probable? Absolutely not. Go figure…

great Jersey, your intervention was missing ❤️...there's not much left until the finish line, we have to resist, we're in the last kilometre, the rest is just clownish chatter