Health Discovery Corporation (CE) (HDVY) Quote

Buylow2, you are incorrect. "The Expert Market is a market tier that serves broker-dealer pricing and best execution needs in securities that are restricted from public quoting or trading. In the Expert Market, quotations are restricted from public viewing, and only broker-dealers and professional or sophisticated investors are allowed to view quotations or trade in Expert Market securities."

Hey Chaz, unfortunately your wrong insiders can’t buy either, no one can.

Buylow2, when I go to my brokerage account and look at the posted stock price for HDVY, there is a footnote beside the price. When I read the footnote, it says, "The price listed may not be the actual price." What do you suppose that means? It means that the price listed in your brokerage account is the price for you, only if you are selling. It is not the price for insiders who may be buying. As I have stated many times, I don't believe that this is over yet, and I would expect that many shareholders will be quite surprised when this turns out to be the case. Do I have proof? Unfortunately, I can't offer that.

Hey Chaz, with all due respect look at stock price, unfortunately it knows.

Really, How can you be so sure?

It seems clear that next month will be 1 year since losing our CEO. If there was something positive to say it would have transpired by now.

LocWolf, just take whatever I say with a grain of salt. After all, what do I know that we all don't already know? Will HDC, like the fabled Phoenix, rise from the ashes and fly again? At this point, your guess is as good as mine. Being a diehard Romantic, I choose to remain hopeful until I get a "Dear John" letter, or until I catch her with another man. Then I will know that it's over. But until then.....the verdict is still out.

I love what you post but what evidence do we have of ever having any true licensing agreement? NEO was BS plus we gave NEO our "patent portfolio" not just 1 patent. We all believe that Intel was able to go around us. Also we felt long ago that NEO found a way around HDC too!

Maybe not but I gather you two are now somewhat thinking that Colleen will never become that involved with HDC, however maybe I'm all wet. I'm not one to be able to explain myself in a clear way you both know from all the years how much I followed and needed this investment to pay off and pan out involving several personal reason but when I seen what Mr. Fromholzer posted within that 8-K it was clear (at least with me) that he had no clue and was posting a good luck good bye message that would not even be questioned by the SEC but seen as typical words or hopefulness yet nothing more. Again it is probably becoming clear to some what I have said referencing Colleen yet we all honestly hope that is wrong and that she will follow through and appoint a CEO of some sort that will work for free like Kevin Kowbel did in which I sincerely believe there was more than what meets the eye especially involving Vennwest and BQ. There seemed to be something between the three parties beyond them not wanting to go after NEO or Intel that McGovern seen since 2007. Now with a totally broken down company, zero money we expect the clouds to open and have a real live CEO work for free after over 100 patents flew out the window where as most patents in there 18th year become basically done. Sure who really wants to come in for free and try their luck. We have over 20 years watching and hoping and now that the company has absolutely nothing we expect or hope to see this rise from the grave.

It is clear we can't even get 1 whisper out of colleen yet some of us feel or hope around the next corner she will? I sincerely believe this is nothing but a damn head ache so hope that Vennwest might want the company structure and not what Vennwest can do for HDC but rather could Vennwest "spin part" of his business into a public trading division not have him help raise HDC from the grave but HDC to wash their hands of this mess.
Sorry I just spit all this out.(as usual.) Is it cheaper to IPO a small sector of Vennwest $12- $18 million or try to get Colleen to accept a lower offer?

Excellent points, Zenos! Time is of the essence as the clock is running out on HDC's patent for "recursive feature elimination method using support vector machines." What HDC desperately needs now is an expert in the field as CEO who can get new licenses signed while HDC still has a monopoly on this one of a kind patent.

>>>I also mentioned is it possible that Vennwest/HDC are working on a buyout

Zenos...as I explained/talked with Charles I don't believe Colleen has to lift a finger to talk with us or explain anything. In time we may hear something from the court system or see something over on the OTC market website. Generally speaking we would hear/see some type of filing long before we would see something at the Georgia Incorporation Office. As for most of us that try to keep up with this investment it is without saying that HDC should have been thrown out of the so called "Expert Market" by now which again has me shaking my head. As you know it seems no matter where HDC exists at it should be in the history of "Ripley's Believe It Or Not"

I also mentioned is it possible that Vennwest/HDC are working on a buyout to use HDC? Could Laurie spin part of his private sector into HDC. That way Colleen can make a clean break? (my thoughts) since I doubt she wishes to even be involved in this corporation or what is left of it. I'm truly trouble with the lack of words/filing of some sort from Colleen/HDC but now I'm really looking at the ceiling wondering why the Georgia court "PACER" hasn't a FOLLOW UP filing by now?

Again......I just checked PACER referencing HDC/Vennwest, as I stated prior last document (that can be seen) was #95 filed on 2/13/24 and nothing further yet something was entered/filed on 3/21/24 but not accessible. I have absolutely no clear thoughts either way about that.

Also nothing new at the Georgia Corporations office.

Charles has a great post over on Yahoo well worth reading 👍️👍️👍️

I was involved in this a very long time ago. Not clear what they exactly own today and most importantly, costs real money to defend IP. I would be surprised if there wasn't funny business here and the IP was taken by former execs for virtually nothing. I don't have the time but someone should file a motion for receivership.

We know that there is no office space, no working web page, no phone, nobody responding to email, no secratery etc. If I had to make a bet there is currently NOBODY left at all to represent HDC. So If Intel didn't write a separate acquisition contract for HDC (to gain SVM patent) in addition to the initial $2.25 million we will just watch this become defunct. I don't see anything in between like relisting panning out. It's either a cigar or an egg.

Buylow2, granted, we do not have a replacement CEO as of yet, however, there are still "decision makers" at the helm of HDC. They would, in fact, be responsible for the hiring of a new CEO. I refer to these decision makers as "management."

Hey Charles, there is no management

As always, thanks for contributing your thoughts, LocWolf. If this investment ultimately goes south, I will be disappointed but not devastated, because I never invest more than I can afford to lose. However, I'm not counting this one out yet, as I think there is still more to come. Good luck to ya!

Charles...yes that is a thought but it is hard for me to dream about something as such. Many reasons of clear true negativity reasons verses true hope but hope is all we have.

I believe probably a good point is the fact that HDC Inventors are long gone and no longer having patents issued to HDC. now of course Weston is into deep AI patents with Google and or Microsoft but haven't check lately. Now Guyon seems to be happy patenting things referencing purses etc so it seems to me zero future seen by many things on the outskirts of HDC that were once close to HDC's heart.

Charles just got a phone call will continue message later

LocWolf, I would like to respond to one point you have made, which is that the expiration date on HDC's primary patent is arriving sometime next year (2025). I agree that no one "in his right mind" would want to buy HDC solely for the IP at this late stage of the game. However, IF HDC were to hire an expert in the field to take over managing the company, this expert may be able to develop and patent new products utilizing HDC's patented technology. This expert in the field could then proceed to market HDC's new products. At that point, it really wouldn't matter so much when those underlying patents expire, because clients would at that point be using HDC's new products (products possibly related to molecular diagnostics/testing), ostensibly for years after the original patents have expired. Now I am realistic enough to know that this is a rosy (optimistic) scenario, however, this is a potential pathway to monetize HDC's IP, IF the current management is able to execute such a plan.

Charles...I read your post over on Yahoo and yes it would be cool if this turns out to be great but I have this feeling we are not in Kansas anymore.

Yes there was some skin placed in the game mainly by George and his friend but as to everyone else they just did what was expected and of course all this is done from their homes. So they mainly got hardly nothing to show except shares like a lot of us. You know as I do that several investors had millions of shares at one time but who is really still holding shares at this time or even giving a crap like some of us.

So as most patents portfolios and patents, a patent loses it's lust big time at the 18th year out of 20. What I'm saying is the fact we only have one year left before it expires no one in their right mind would want to license it or buy the technology at this point

At this point it just isn't worth court actions period. Now what I will save is Vennwest actually interested in using HDC since it is a public trading company. Why do I state this? Vennwest was interested in HDC at one time but have you thought about the possibility (it might be dead now) that it wasn't about making money from having HDC shares but rather a take over. Think about the Canadian connection in who is who now recall BQ relationship with those two Canadians. BTW...the way the Vennwest website has been non operational for at least 1.5 years.

1 patent

(( Can you see why I don't trust you know who?))

Now looking back at the past settlement wording it appears(as we all discussed prior) that Intel may have said this is all you are getting. Anyways maybe as stated prior that HDC could not provide enough goods in the discovery phase. So what I might indicate that Intel gave HDC basically $2.25 million since some monies must be paid to HDC Attorneys to state the least and HDC then agreed not to ever sue Intel and gave Intel the reassurances by way of prejudice and sealed with a kiss by Judge Albright.

Of course I still hope I'm dead wrong but how many years have we been moving the goal post around the football field? Damn, there isn't a place left on the field that we haven't used already.

I just checked PACER referencing HDC/Vennwest, as I stated prior last document (that can be seen) was #95 filed on 2/13/24 and nothing further yet something was entered/filed on 3/21/24 but not accessible. I have absolutely no clear thoughts either way about that

Hello King....I haven't checked PACER in a couple of days but will later today or tonight. Hope you are doing well.

And they all make $$$ except us.

So in review of Georgia court system involving HDC/VennWest....on 1/30/24 HDC filed Doc #94 then on 2/13/24 VennWest #95 to counter (again) yet it has now been 56 days yet I see nothing on PACER involving this case.

Who knows what is happening but is HDC settling or telling VennWest they are broke? ... is there any possibility that VennWest might want HDC as a sub company and that the two parties are trying to settle up so Colleen can ride off into the sunset and leave this mess?

...or has each party left Dodge City including the Judge who has probably pulled all of her hair out by now here you go these are our players involving HDC/VennWest and the Georgia Court system.

LOL! Yes, someone needs to set them straight.

Charles...please send Joe and Roland to SEC school.

You are very correct thank you....I hope you have been doing good and enjoying the new year.....oh chit tax time! actually I only ended up paying $400 this year as for stocks, that totally sucks!

You meant mid 2025 ? Typo?

Charles....take this weblink over to Yahoo https://www.otcmarkets.com/market-activity/corporate-actions
This will let several know what in the world is happening if anything. It seems when HDC has close to two days of what "appears"? to be two days of basic sells it will hit the five zero decimals.

Georgia Corporations offices.
https://ecorp.sos.ga.gov/BusinessSearch/BusinessInformation?businessId=1275889&businessType=Domestic%20Profit%20Corporation&fromSearch=True

Do know as to Georgia Corporation office or any other state corporation office we would see news from the company BEFORE we would normally see a change directly within the corporations office. Marty paid up this year in advance so it won't be until mid 2005 before anyone could expect a positive update involving any continuing licensing by the Georgia office.

I doubt that several over on Yahoo could handle PACER so I won't post that direct weblink again as I have in the past.

Buylow....maybe we would have a better chance winning $4 bucks from the lottery, of course you might have to spend $10 bucks to win that but wager the time spent involving HDC or playing to lottery...besides which is more fun?.

Hey Lockwolf, do u think shareholders would get more than 0.0001

Doesn't anyone besides me wonder if Vennwest might have been a process to take over HDC in order for Vennwest to spin part of his operations here in the USA. Mind you if people have been watching Vennwest's 2023 website that didn't open and of course now in 2024 still non accessible I just wonder.

Yes we all still hope but being practical HDC does NOT need to ever utter any comments nor sec filings ever again and in time we may see various information within the "OTC Market" website as to some type of ending which could be a year or so down the line. The other place to keep on checking is Georgia Division of Incorporation to see changes.

It really should be clear and yes I could be wrong but really? I would have announce the settlement FIRST and then either in a different 8-K announce Mr. Fromholzer's exit. Also look close at the words involving AI we are a joke referencing that area and everyone pretty much knows this down deep.

I don't expect (except) seeing an 8-K that finishes up the Vennwest crap then most likely nothing until we have the money to lock the doors doors are already closed. HDC hasn't had an business office in how long?

There is absolutely nothing stopping whoever might be in charge to state something to us shareholders except what? We have no MONEY.

Hey Chaz, we all hope your rite with your optimism if Hdvy had anything good to say it would of been out by now. IMHO

The Texas Doc #73 (which is just prior to the settlement document states as follows - Intel Corporation stated that the amended scheduling order requires the parties to narrow the claims to triable limits, the defendant proposes the claims to be limited to no more than 4 -6 claims which would be a resonable number of claims to present at trial. Moreover, plaintiff's proposed narrowing is not a narrowing at all because plaintiff already limited itself to the 15 claims identified in the preliminary infringement contention more 10 months ago and well before representing that it would agree to further narrowing of these claims to a triable limit in the amended scheduling order. Defendant remains willing to similarly narrow its invalidity grounds to triable limits but cannot meaningfully do so until plaintiff identifies the asserted claims.
(above doc #73 dated June 30, 2023.)

George H McGovern III Died June 30, 2023

The next document we see is a settlement on 9/15/23 which is document # 74 dated 9/18/23

I would love to be wrong as this investment is the last hope of a ROTH account Now we aren't talking a few years we are talking 21 and I retired in 2007.

Yes indeed sir Charles. This is the opposite of cut and dry. Until we can “solve for X,” with the information available, there is more information to come.

There seems to be two explanations for X. One, is the sudden surprise of no damages at the end of discovery; a legal process incorporated to safeguard against such a surprise. If true, IMHO, it would be an inconceivable legal blunder (given this safeguard).

The other solution to X is Bill Quirk’s Human Factor premis: The family surrendered a large settlement due to grief’s inertia. LocWolf implied the same idea when suggesting Colleen wants nothing to do with this mess. Again, it is inconceivable that both the key shareholders (Colleen included) and key stakeholders (legal team) would concede to such share value destruction. Their share value loss is exponentially larger than ours combined.

I’m with you Charles. Unless someone here can provide a plausible solution for X with the available information, then X lies in what is to come – even if this solution explains a why we settled for a loss, given the 2 million might not even cover legal expenses.

LocWolf, I reciprocate the well wishes and express my hope that you and your family have a blessed Easter Holiday.
As for HDC, I am well aware that our situation appears bleak to almost all of us on the outside. We have received no news or anything of substance to sustain our hopes since the settlement announcement back in September. To further exacerbate the situation, the Vennwest matter drags on at a snail's pace. My stance is, and has been since before the settlement announcement, that no news does not, in and of itself, establish proof that nothing is happening behind the scenes. As I have stated before, the best strategy to maximize a "return on investment" for all of those insiders holding millions of shares (i.e., the family and friends of George McGovern) is to get the stock trading again. Of course, this would entail getting all of HDC's financials current with the SEC. Do you have any proof that this is not happening? Your conclusions are based upon certain assumptions which may or may not be true. I maintain that the verdict is still out, and that it would be premature to declare that our patient is braindead with no pulse. We cannot ascertain this yet. I am not being an optimist or a pessimist, just a realist.

It looks pretty cut and dry with the exception of bankruptcy- closing shop by way of some type of announcement.

I believe (as I said prior) but had hopes that I was wrong that when it came down to the discovery phase to show Judge Albright we actually had very little to show so the two parties came together and Intel offered HDC an offer they couldn't refuse. (GODFATHER)

Yes I am shocked that we are still in this Vennwest case but believe that will be over within the next 6 months which will lead us into the final day to close HDC DOORS.

HDC provided an 8-k which issued a settlement which is done, done and done.

We don't know some circumstances and may not ever know due to legals.

I can pretty much say that Colleen probably never wanted to mess with HDC and you can't blame her as she has her own business and life to tend to. We have seen 2 deaths which could have and after affect on lives plus some may not know the personals of the family meaning past and present which have no merit what-so-ever to be posted in this message thread but may have also played some part in decision making. We don't actually know this for sure but do speculate this thought.

So like Charles we can hope but really after all the damn things we have seen over the years plus no final court session involving Judge Albright it isn't hard to see that not much if any money will ever be divided amongst retail shareholders but we can't have closure until some type of HDC announcement. As for HDC patents they are dead in the water as most patent life runs low at the 18th year of 20.

Lockwolf. What a shocker, Intel court case would of been this April, but we settled for a smoking 2 million instead.

Just checked PACER - Georgia Courts and see no new documents since I mentioned (3-12-24) doc# 95 but next document will be number 96.

My past post # 18265

I believe it is safe to say I'm in better shape than HDC but sure would have loved to see a happy ending in this company. As for myself I wasn't able to see that HDC was done years ago...actually, I would not face it.

Locwolf hope your well, figured u would type with your toes than stay away. U haven’t missed a thing as usual, 15 years later.

LOL! LocWolf, you're a trip! I appreciate your many contributions to this board. May your recovery be swift and complete.

Decided to try and post and just went to PACER to check on the HDC/Vennwest case. The latest document is number 95 dated 2-13-24 which is basically 29 days ago. It appears in this document Vennwest is asking the Court to deny Defendants motion to strike parts of Laurie Venning and Kevin Kowbel's declarations.
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So in short both corporations are still pi$$ing in the wind at one another while shanghighing all us HDC shareholders. Talk about shareholder abuse/Torture.

I sure hope my friend Charles has inside information but regardless Chazzy is a special person and maybe when this is all said and done I'll surprise him and pull into his driveway...maybe even watch the beautiful leaves change color....heck I'll listen to him play a few international tunes while swinging in his hammock.

King yea selling at zero doesn’t sound like closure, of course we have to hang around we’re all stuck like pigs.

We’ve waited this long, we might as well stay for the finale.

We haven't heard anything for one of two possible reasons: either everyone has packed up and gone home, so there's no one left to issue the news that the company exists in name only.

Or possibly there's a deal being finalized behind the scenes.

I will admit that I didn't think the stock would still show up in my brokerage account at this point. So who knows, maybe Chazzy has the right take. I'm not optimistic, but there's no harm in hoping for the best.

So I take it this is done?