Sun Pacific Holding Corporation (PK) (SNPW) News

Most hilarious post of the year.

This company (1 employee), for 18 months, with no sales, no shipments, no installations and only a NJ P.O. Box and website to its name, spent nearly 1.5 million in SG&A in the same period. Maybe that’s how ceo pays himself 160K, of deferred salary per year, still on the books…..having zero oversight, while starting two side companies….. one competitive with Medrecycler (aka MSW Recycler) and recent competitor to Sun Pacific Power aka SolRay. That’s just flat out sketchy shit when neither one was ever disclosed to shareholders.

Stop the fantasies of any sort of solar plant funding at any time.

As far as credibility? That was lost in March of 2020. Credibility was not an issue with idiotic penny traders in the fluke covid AMC runup January 2021. They were clueless. But, was credibility an issue with any of the supposed prospective lenders for the so many hyped up project hoaxes?

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Slainte

LMFAO, Campanella NEVER had any credibility to lose in the first place.. Hahaaa

He's a broke joke of a scammer. All the inquiries did was to expose Campanella that his fraudulent press releases will now get verified going forward.

Case in point: the fake staged "site visit" to Dillon, South Carolina, which was exposed as his first visit with no lease signed and no "team". LMFAO!!!

We all know he photoshopped the pictures because he didn't want the public to know he was escorted by a realtor and wanted to pretend he was there with just "his team". Hahaaaaaa!!!

Yep it has been very vague.

I sent a couple e-mails to Campanella about Solray and it's relationship to SPPC'a business plan and all I received back was silence.

Has there been any significant or notable news about the entity Solray recently?

Their role, IF ANY, with regard to SunP has been extremely vague up to this point

While I have no real documented proof, I truly believe based on his over aggressiveness to unmask certain posters, Campanella lost significant credibility with his partners and maybe the financing of the ELBA US Manufacturing plant as well due to aggressive shareholders inquiries to his partners.

Based on the recent tweets

"We are working our way back"

Happy to be working our way back and positioning solar opportunities domestically with strong partners that we've been working with! ☀️⚡ $SNPW #GEP #solar #OTCMarkets— Sun Pacific Holding Corp (@SunPacificPower) March 25, 2025

and "have been self-funding"

Sun Pacific Holding Corp
@SunPacificPower
We are not issuing or selling any new shares and have been self-funding while we build out our plan. No reverse splits on the horizon. #shortsqueese $SNPW #Focused #Growth
7:29 PM · Mar 25, 202

I believe those SNPW relationships with their partners has been repaired and Campanella decided to operate in radio silence so that over aggressive shareholders will not interfere this time around.

Just so there is no confusion I put myself in the over aggressive shareholder looking for information category as well and not personally laying blame on any particular individual or individuals who sought information.about the company for the company reaction to those inquires .

Has there been any significant or notable news about the entity Solray recently?

Their role, IF ANY, with regard to SunP has been extremely vague up to this point.

'Is the fact that a competitive solar panel and lithium battery side company, known as SolRay, set up in November 2023, by snpw’s ceo…..a lie or a misrepresentation?" Since at the moment Solray has nothing to sell, Solar panels ,and batteries coming soon since11/23 I don't think they can be classified as a competitor of anyone at the present time.

"Is the fact that a 4000:1 reverse split was executed by the ceo in February 2024, when it was not necessary" Since before the RS the company announced closing of the US Solar manufacturing in Elba AL financing was near finalization and the company told us why it never happen as one of the reasons was due to "The Company formed Elba Power Corp, an Alabama Corp for the development of a Solar Assembly company, which was unable to close on its financing, which has been closed.". It would seem that the fact the company was unable to close on the financing the RS became necessary.


"Anyone care to show any U.S. certified solar panels on SPp website? " Since the company clearly stated " Sun Pacific Power Corp commenced in April 2023, a trial sales, marketing, and affiliate program to market and install residential solar panels in various markets within the United States, which currently is non-active.. and the fact the company recently told us ""Exciting progress! Our partners are working on UL certifications for solar panels for the U.S. market sales & distribution by mid-April,
So ask us again in July 2025.

"Wait till y’all find out more about the SPp Australia fantasy. Please check on how many solar panels GEP Vietnam has shipped since February 2024'.Based on what the company clearly told us "while we update our certifications in Australia with GEP to start our sales process. .sales haven;t started yet so why would you expect panels shipped.

"Recall Blissful Holdings during the first Australia 3 year hoax?" Blissful holding was Durango Mexico not Australia


"Anyone looking for an update on SPp/Fox-ess global partnership?'' Doing DD as per up to date 4/14/2025 "Sun Pacific Power Corp. entered into an agreement with FoxEss, a global leader in the development of inverter and energy storage solutions as a wholesale distributor for North and South America and Australia."

"Anyone wondering how MES in Hacky-nj is doing as Fox-ess U.S. repair and maintenance partner?" Not at all, haven't seen where they cancelled they agreement contract with SNPW , did you?

"ZERO promos have materialized into anything at all except ZERO built, sold nor shipped." Yet, the partnership with GEP not only still exist but has been expanded, it also appears based on the recent annual report the partnership foxEss also remains intact.

Funny I see no where where anyone is pumping this stock, as a matter of fact the company itself clearly states they are not interested in selling shares at this time..

We are not issuing or selling any new shares and have been self-funding while we build out our plan. No reverse splits on the horizon. #shortsqueese $SNPW #Focused #Growth— Sun Pacific Holding Corp (@SunPacificPower) March 25, 2025

The company will either deliver or it won't. If it delivers no pumping will be necessary for the stock to rise, It it doesn't deliver no amount of pumping will stop the stock price from falling.

Point to remember while there has been no solar sales to date as far as we know a subsidiary.of a Fortune 500 company still has an active agreement with SNPW as well as a billion dollar company Sun Group which expanded that agreement,

Just so there is is no confusion the above is simply a reposting of SEC documents, OTC Market documents, company tweets, and other public information, not a recommendation to buy , sell or hold.

Well stated. The ones talking about frauds, posters owning no stock, posters creating fake aliases etc dodge any specifics on these topics, and that assumes they are meaningful to begin with, which they aren’t.

Nice to see someone back up their statements versus barking junk yard dogs with no specifics in support of their statements.

The only frauds on the SunP board are the "lost" that own no stock, and yet spend their days creating fake aliases, pretending to be Barristers and harassing company's partners, all in order to smear SunP.......how utterly silly of them to engage in such pointless activity!

Happy Easter to you all as well. Wishing everyone a special day on this special day. Happy Easter.

A Happy Easter to you as well as your buddy Three plus all the regulars here. James, Walls,Hotmeat,Peeteman, Mountdallas, JK, Huggy Bear,Dakota, Anvil ,chemist72, ss0722 ,bunda Dolly Llama as well as Campanella. and those whose names I failed to mention.

May this Easter season find you all in good health.

Happy Easter to y’all

Wishing y’all a Happy Easter from the peaceful and beautiful Seven Hills of Akron.

Relax and give “Written on the Hills” a read if you get a chance. Kazi’s neighborhood is profiled very nicely. Nice change from SoCal.

Next Thursday kazi’s AFC Browns get the #2 pick.

my opinions

Slainte

Interesting yet NO ONE absolutely BO ONE has produced a Court Document in Romano case where the name Nicholas Campanella name appears, NO ONE.

No one absolutely BO ONE has produced a Court Document in Romano case where Nicholas Campanella was charge with any crime or recommended for any charges, NO ONE.

Was he involved in the process it appears that way as the NYT article use that terms alleged, but no where in any OFFICIAL COURT DOCUMENTS did it specially name Nicholas Campanrlla as being charge with anything.


Just so there is no confusion this is not a support nor a defense of Nicholas Campanella it is just a plain simple fact.

Is the FACT that Nick Campanella was named as a Co-conspirator in a federal criminal indictment misinformation??

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/nyregion/coronavirus-fraud-masks-new-york.html

Who told him to defraud people during the pandemic??

Once a scammer always a scammer.. LMFAO

Nearly 2 yrs of zero sales and revenue is NO lie

Lol

Anyone care to show any revenue after June 30, 2023? Have at it! Lol

Now that we have that out of the way anyone care to point out misrepresentations or lies as asserted by the paid pumper?

Is the fact that a competitive solar panel and lithium battery side company, known as SolRay, set up in November 2023, by snpw’s ceo…..a lie or a misrepresentation?

Is the fact that a 4000:1 reverse split was executed by the ceo in February 2024, when it was not necessary….. a lie or misrepresentation?

Anyone care to show any U.S. certified solar panels on SPp website?

Is the fact that SPp online store was shut down due to previous products listed were never available to sell direct for 18 months via online purchase?

Wait till y’all find out more about the SPp Australia fantasy. Please check on how many solar panels GEP Vietnam has shipped since February 2024.

Recall Blissful Holdings during the first Australia 3 year hoax? Guess where that partner is now?

Anyone looking for an update on SPp/Fox-ess global partnership? If so, do the due diligence or email the company.

Anyone wondering how MES in Hacky-nj is doing as Fox-ess U.S. repair and maintenance partner? Recall that twitter promo.

ZERO promos have materialized into anything at all except ZERO built, sold nor shipped.

The truth hurts so bad that the truth has to labeled lies. That’s what the paid pumpers are paid to do.

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Slainte

The lies and misinformation spread about SunP borders on the pathological at times but I will openly concede that it appears to have been tamped down drastically.......the smear campaign has lost much of its steam!?!

Zero sales & Revenue since June 2023 is not a false statement. Read the filings! (Well stated Karm)

The company has clearly stated the path going forward re development of their business plan so, for now, the fact that they have yet to report Solar/Battery generated rev$ is a moot, ie its going forward from that point is when their success or failure will be judged.


The only thing false and opinionated is your statement claiming false and opinionated statements.

Opinionated agitators have no clue what will transpire from this point on re SunP's business plan, so again said opinions are nothing but pointless "noise" from irrelevant mouth breathers.


Your claim about agitators having no vested interest is a good example of an inaccurate and speculative statement. Such speculative statements lack foundation.

In almost 20 years of investing I have never witnessed, until now with SunP, ACTUAL SHAREHOLDERS embarking on such an obviously contrived mission to smear, and openly harm the stock they own.......common sense 101!!!


Your claim about there being agitators appears accurate - they sure seem to be getting under your skin.

Actually those agitating fools provide daily entertainment. lol
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Zero sales & Revenue since June 2023 is not a false statement. Read the filings! (Well stated Karm)

The only thing false and opinionated is your statement claiming false and opinionated statements.

Your claim about agitators having no vested interest is a good example of an inaccurate and speculative statement. Such speculative statements lack foundation.

Your claim about there being agitators appears accurate - they sure seem to be getting under your skin.


So is having obviously biased agitators making false and opinionated statements about a stock they have no vested interests in, to promote a negative narrative that's only meant to smear the company......IMO

So is having obviously biased agitators making false and opinionated statements about a stock they have no vested interests in, to promote a negative narrative that's only meant to smear the company......IMO.

Focusing on naysayers instead of company performance is always a losing strategy.

Common Denominator is ZERO SALES & REVENUE

there is no need to make up anything when ZERO REVENUE is the common denominator at every pivot and change of clothes.

FOLLOW THE NO $$$ TRAIL.

just read the filings. they're as brutal as you could imagine.....or could have never imagined.

Kazi's has told you what would happen in her opinion for almost 4 years. She's been spot on.

listen folks, NOT $1 of SOLAR PRODUCTS HAS EVER BEEN SOLD.

nearly $1 million spent on SG&A and the ceo is still on the payroll after ringing up 3.7 million of debt

my opinions

Slainte

The naysayers throw whatever bs at the wall to see what gets people riled up.

I seriously doubt that dilution is in the cards.

Do you really think there is currently a market for the nearly 1 billion unallocated shares, I don’t. At least not under current conditions.

My opinions.

They’ll come up with something else now. Potential dilution?

SNPW is a highly risk play.

To date (seven years) they have failed to deliver on any of their projects.

Up to a year and a half ago they were a fully SEC reporting company, since then they enacted a 4000 RS and are now s an alternate OTC reporting company that just recently became fully OTC compliant.

On March 21, 2025 tweeted
"Exciting progress! Our partners are working on UL certifications for solar panels for the U.S. market sales & distribution by mid-April, while we update our certifications in Australia with GEP to start our sales process. Stay tuned for more updates!

On 3/25/25 posted two tweets
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"We are not issuing or selling any new shares and have been self-funding while we build out our plan. No reverse splits on the horizon. " and

"Exciting updates! Our solar panel product line is launching in Q2, along with updated certifications for Australia CEC. Stay tuned!"

Currently there is only 261,000 OS.

Just so there is not confused, this is not a promotion, do your own DD, I am just a reposting of what the company publicly stated and what has been written in their filings.

Scam or real we should know within 76 days.

Simple question about one of your statements.

"Medrecycler was spending millions with a South African manufacturer and a 200k per year building lease without a final approval in Rhode Island? "

How could a Medrecycler site even be considered for approval if there was no committed site available for the RI-DEM to review and approve?

BTW RI-DEM did approve the site approved by the West Warwick Town council. the West Warwick planning board and RI Bonding division after its final scientific review until the law changed six months later.

All slanderous lies fabricated against SunP will become moot once the company starts generating rev$ and the Solar Panel/Battery plant project is confirmed.

Hoping we get more clarity sooner than later.

They’ll come up with something else now. Potential dilution?

So you're saying the Wall Street chap's #1 query/gripe with SunP has now finally been addressed!?!?!

Methinks certain individuals on here are in for a potentially huge (and very distressing) surprise in the coming months.

GLTA 🤑

Annual filing today brings company current.

How are you wrong EVERY single time? LMFAO

You've been posting the same BS for Years, yet nothing has changed. Is there anyone more wrong than you and your alter ego ThreeEmInEn across the street? Hahahaaa

That would be super fun if it indeed happened now wouldn't it!!!

"We are not issuing or selling any new shares and have been self-funding while we build out our plan. No reverse splits on the horizon. #shortsqueese $SNPW #Focused #Growth"

Let's see the summary was written May 2024, since then the company has clearly stated

We are not issuing or selling any new shares and have been self-funding while we build out our plan. No reverse splits on the horizon. #shortsqueese $SNPW #Focused #Growth— Sun Pacific Holding Corp (@SunPacificPower) March 25, 2025

Which seems to contradict your theory "to be used to invest"

" a well prepared behind the scenes business plan (on scribd) to be used for suckers to invest in a famous pinky scam. "

Must be in your imagination because I don't see any one asking anyone to invest in SNPW.

Yawn!

."the company is almost 4 million in debt" 5 million less debt then before promoting selling solar panels

"after not selling a single Solar product to speak of" Yet, has retain two major partnerships SUN Group and FoxEss.

"No oversight with 1 employee" the same situation when the stock gained 1000%
…..
"what would you expect?" Build it the stock price goes up , don't the stock price will fall..

IF THEY BUILD IT NO PROMOTION WILL BE NEEDED IF THEY DON'T NO PROMOTION WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN HELPING IT., SO NO NEED FOR ANY PROMOTING BY ANYONE

It is weird though, calling those that invested in removal of medical waste to protect others from it hazardous material, greedy.

You remember the project that the RI-DEM after it FINAL SCIENTIFIC REVIEW "intend to approval" as safe and effected for its intended purpose at the location selected, until behind the keyboard loud mouths scared the politicians.

Expect the share price to drop tomorrow after being forced to go through another round of b.s.

It happens every time now that the average person can smell it when starts to linger again and again.

The company doesn’t have a pot to piss in. That’s why you will continue to see fantasy yellow brick tweets.

You were lucky to be the blind squirrel finding a well prepared behind the scenes business plan (on scribd) to be used for suckers to invest in a famous pinky scam.

The same playbook was used with another tee-it-up service to promote a previous hyped up business opportunity.

Nov. 2022 lmao
May 2024 lmao
April 2025 lmao

The lineup shows one that has been with nearly a dozen different solar companies. SolRay now? Another pump attempt to make something out of nothing.

Please tell the company we miss that hyped up very effective online store. That was shut down.

After promoting every type of solar panel ever made…..the company is almost 4 million in debt after not selling a single Solar product to speak of. No oversight with 1 employee…..what would you expect?

2025 is not your 2021 freak penny stock covid pump and dump. The greedy made some money on a fake run and are even more greedy willing to lose what was left all the way to .00000. But, don’t worry they’ll be another behind the scenes gimmick after the non-disclosed SolRay conflict of interest . SEC must be enjoying SolRay scribd piece.

my opinions

Slainte

When was that summary written, was it May 2024?

https://www.scribd.com/document/773090330/Solray-Inc-Executive-Summary-May-24-b

JICYMI - 1GW+ Solar manufacturing plant $SNPW
 Equipment Delivery: 100 days after down payment received
 Shipment & customs clearance to project site: 50 days(expected)
 Installation: 30-45days
 Commissioning: 45-60days
 Ramp up: 30days.— Sun Pacific Holding Corp (@SunPacificPower) November 22, 2022

How many days from that summary to the second quarter 2025?

"Exciting updates! Our solar panel product line is launching in Q2, along with updated certifications for Australia CEC. Stay tuned! ☀️ #SolarEnergy #RenewableEnergy $SNPW" #Australia pic.twitter.com/6AYHeke7tb— Sun Pacific Holding Corp (@SunPacificPower) March 25, 2025

If only it and the following was true?

We are not issuing or selling any new shares and have been self-funding while we build out our plan. No reverse splits on the horizon. #shortsqueese $SNPW #Focused #Growth— Sun Pacific Holding Corp (@SunPacificPower) March 25, 2025

And if they could actually accomplished the following?

Solar traceability isn’t just compliance—it’s a competitive edge! 🚀
✔️ Unlock tax credits (IRA incentives)
✔️ Avoid import bans (UFLPA compliance)
✔️ Win investor & buyer trust
✔️ Boost brand reputation
✔️ Secure supply chain stability
Transparency = Success in the U.S. solar☀️— Sun Pacific Holding Corp (@SunPacificPower) March 19, 2025

Imagine what the share price might be with only 250,000 shares outshouting!


Just so there is no confusion (as some here get easily confused) this is not a promoting of SNPW but merely a reposting of the actual statements made by the company..

Interesting hm

But it can’t be true, can it? I don’t recall a disclosure? Wouldn’t this be a material event - the ceo of snpw affiliated with another company in what appears to be a similar space. Was there a disclosure - did I miss it?

May 2024? SolRay and another South Carolina fairy tale to try and snag more suckers’ loan money. LOL

That “we’re building or manufacturing” line reminds Kazi of the August 2017 press release where Sun Pacific Power had 5 U.S. Solar manufacturing facilities. 8 WORLD WIDE!! Lmao!!

my opinions

Slainte

If only this is true

https://www.scribd.com/document/773090330/Solray-Inc-Executive-Summary-May-24-b

Trump exempts smartphones and computers from new tariffs


From news report......
"This is the first significant reprieve of any kind in Trump's tariffs on China, with one trade analyst describing it as a "game-changer scenario".
The exemptions - backdated to 5 April - also include other electronic devices and components, including semiconductors, solar cells and memory cards."

This is an obvious ""share selling"" scam where, to date, zero shares have been sold......didn't you get the memo!?! lol

Everything is set up for this stock to go parabolic, IF, and I say IF, Nick's plans finally come to fruition.

Agree "Zero revenue from any and all of that paper." yet the fact remains it did not stop the stock from providing over 1000% gains for its investors when the company was in worst financial shape.

Again agree, "not one solar product sold …..ever!" yet the company SNPW is currently working with GEP, who has been in the solar business since 2015, its parent company Sun Group was established in 1992, and believes enough in what SNPW has to offer to expand it partnership with SNPW to cover both the US and Australia.

https://www.sungroup-energy.com/about.html#c_static_862-1681388361589

This I have to totally disagree with "Billion shares,, deficits and liabilities are all the result of failures in every area of company for 7+ years "Funny what you call a SNPW failure,

SNPW sent a proposal to the Town of West Warwick Town council for an approval of a waste to energy plant at a specific industrial zone location.

The Town of West Warwick Town council then held a pubic meetings to see if any of the local citizens from West Warwick and its nearby neighbor East Greenwich had any objections to the project and its location. According to the Town of West Warwick Town council. own words (see You Tube recording) there was NO OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT OR ITS LOCATION, and with that the council GAVE THEIR APPROVAL for SNPW to move forward with the project.

SNPW worked with The Town of West Warwick planning board and the RI-DEM for over 2 years to finally receive a letter of "intent to approve" the project at the location selected.

In the end the project did fail and was denied, but SNPW failure and lost of Billion shares,, deficits and liabilities were the result of failures by inept politicians not the company.

For with out the first public hearing where the Town Of West Warwick Town Council believing they did enough to determine they had public approval for the project and its location and giving the green light for SNPW to move forward there would have been NO Billion shares,, deficits and liabilities related to the project..

But alas for the shareholder at the time there would have been no run from 0.002 to 34.9 cents either.

Got it right except the bottom line

Zero revenue from any and all of that paper.

Not one solar product sold …..ever!

Billion shares,, deficits and liabilities are all the result of failures in every area of company for 7+ years leading to writing off huge equipment losses, not paying loans due, sg&a looting for years, zero sales and revenue and a sick reverse split.

Yeah, sounds more correct when adding in Kazi’s facts surrounding the fantasy agreements, tweets and pressers.

my opinions

Slainte

Yeah, Nick is a total clown.

With that paltry 250K float, trading, IMO, will be bonkers IF SunP finally announces funding and-or sustainable rev $treams.

I'm also intensely looking forward to the response from our dedicated SunP critics when and IF such events do materialize.

Just want to make sure I have a few things right.

You say "Everyone is broke. No loans being handed out like candy to support ceo’s lifestyle any longer"

but wasn't the Total liabilities and stockholders’ deficit at $9,094,127 when the company try to launch Medrecycler_RI and stands at only Total liabilities and stockholders deficit $23,739 per last quarterly.

And didn't have only 56 millions shares available to rise additional capital at that time while today they have 950.000,000 share available to rise capital if they need it.

If if you check with Sun Group don't they list only Sun Pacific Power as the only contact For their GEP New Energy US Subsidiary and if you check with GEP New Energy don't they post that they have extended SNPW agreement to include Australia.

That is totally correct right?

With that expressed, which is your absolute right, your opinion is undeniably irrelevant pertaining to the success, or failure of SunP's strategy.

Fold up the circus tent

Ain’t no fantasy launch anywhere in sight. Everyone is broke. No loans being handed out like candy to support ceo’s lifestyle any longer. The disgusting 100’s of thousands (nearly a million) wasted away on mysterious (non-disclosed) SG&A expenses while never generating $1 of revenue for over 18+ months. Subsidiary doors closing and going deep into delinquency with SEC filings has left y’all with b.s. fantasy tweets to try and keep the yellow brick road open. Only change in any unaudited financials over the past 2 years with ZERO $ revenue is the ceo’s deferred salary continuing to pile up for delivering annual zero performances and starting up a competitive company in SolRay while appointing officers and advisors that have had a hand in Snpw/Spp (public company) business for years.

Someone please check with Sun Group/GEP to see how their Vietnam and China plants will be collaborating over the next 9-12 months.

No more picture of the ceo with Geena hitting the company’s twitter page anymore?
That worked out well for snpw since Biden with Geena at his side signed the July 2022 DPA and IRA. Snpw never showed up for the party. Love re-reading all of those posts and tweets from July-December 2022.

IMHO…..What a drawn out whack-a-mole pinky scam we have here to entertain us as a side show to another clown in D.C.

my opinions

Slainte

I agree that Market stability is not an absolute necessity but to my original point....."With the present ongoing turmoil in Worldwide Markets it will be difficult to properly gauge how effective SunP's strategy is until all is resolved,".....uncertainty will make SunP's impact in the Solar space difficult to fully ascertain.

All this upheaval may, or may not affect the overall success of the launch, especially if there are agreements already in place, but common sense dictates that a stable and Bullish Market outlook would be most preferable.

GLTA shareholders.

Market clarity will help, but not necessary...

Fiscal caution by consumers//businesses could skew initial targets as the aforementioned parties may tend to be more conservative re their spending outlays until the current situation is resolved.

clown? 🤦

I will attempt to ""DUMB"" this down sufficiently in order to assist...................


The current Worldwide turmoil over the tariffs issue has rattled Global Markets, Investors and the general public and thus with SunP now asserting that they are officially entering enter the Solar space, this "uncertainty" could have a dampening effect on their launch.

Fiscal caution by consumers//businesses could skew initial targets as the aforementioned parties may tend to be more conservative re their spending outlays until the current situation is resolved.

Another aspect of this issue are the foreign partners (GEP, FoxEss etc) that could be subject to sanctions based on DJTs evolving tariff strategy, which again could affect SunPs launch.

I'm aware its intensely difficult but that's not a valid excuse.