Zivo Bioscience Inc (QB) (ZIVO) Quote

I guess a little swing trading today

“The Company has incurred net losses since inception, experienced negative cash flows from operations for the quarter ended March 31, 2024, and has an accumulated deficit of $124,860,200. “

This takes real skill.

Apparently the Rolodex isn’t so golden

They are offering free shipping and discounts. Seriously doubt there is material revenue from algae purchases to report. Imagine if marketing had just ten percent of what this company has blown on science experiments?

Could someone explain what value Nola Masterson has provided during her many years of “service” on the board watching the value of this company be destroyed by terrible decisions?

BTW,

On the ZIVOlife front .... LOL ..... 4th qtr revenues were UP .... almost 35% QoQ .... lol.

And according to ZIVO prior information ..... late in the 4th qtr 2023 (December), production was supposed to go UP nearly 5x. Wonder how many here are getting ZIVOlife on a monthly basis.

AND, the plan was the production was supposed to go up by another 5X from December 2023 volume starting June 2024. Amazes me that ZIVO cannot provide a simple update on that even. Afterall .... a production capable increase on the order of 25X capacity is material to the possibilities and revenue generation while waiting for Payne to land a big fish on coccidiosis.

Funny the possibilities for ZIVOlife as an ingredient and Z Worldwide talking about how nice it is for your hair. Hilarious. Don't take my word for it .... right from the product page.

Great choice of top benefits to highlight. They need to flip that shit around and put it at the bottom. And start targeting folks with metabolic syndrome, long covid, arthritis and digestive issues. I realize they can't make medical claims ..... but .... c'mon. Gotta be a bit smarter than leading with "hair". Need to get in the hands of some influencers too. Not rocket science. But guessing they still couldn't handle a large increase in order flow.
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Customers Report:

Noticeably thicker, shinier, silkier hair
Reduction in shedding overall
Faster hair growth
Smoother, stronger hair shaft with less breakage
Improved digestion and optimal nutrient absorption
Better mood, energy, vitality
Reduced inflammation and stronger immunity

Gwinner,

What pray tell are the birdies tweeting ??
I heard ZIVO is expensive science experiment .... but guessing that isn't what your birdies are saying. LOL

Amigo Mike

I ain't gonna lie!
I own a boatful but still hopeful !
Birdies are tweeting again and love the sounds!

Exhibit A to my point...

🤣🤷

I hate to tell you Gwinner, but you have all the tell-tale signs of the exact individual I described in my post. It's been apparent for months now...

I hope you do beat the odds and get a winner with a buy/hold strategy, but don't say you weren't warned.

LOL Weasel,

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Amigo Mike

The story is real we just haven't got to the conclusion yet...its like reading a big very boring book.
Mergers/buyouts...deals are happening every day...ZIVO will get theirs...and possibly in a form none of us considered and with a company none of thought of.

The stock trades on nickels lately and drops dollars. Conversely, when this trades on dollars it will spike $1,000's of dollars!

Nah, see, again...you still don't fukn understand...

He's HOLDING/INVESTING and praying for some black swan event to make him a shit-ton of money (we call that hopium). THAT is where people get into trouble with this pos ticker (and every pos ticker for that matter). They start believing a 'story' rather than the reality of the situation.

Then, the SWING EVENT is over...and folks didn't sell...which creates the emotion of "I don't wanna miss out if/when it turns back up"...so they hold way longer than they would've otherwise until eventually..."oh shit" moment and they sell out at a big loss. This is even easier when the volume disappears (like it has/does on ZIVO)...and they can make the damn intraday spread 5.50/8.00 for most of the day (like it was today). It doesn't take much to create said emotions when any 100 share block going off on the bid triggers the appearance of a huge down day since the spread is freaking $2.50!

OHHH...and your comment this morning. Ya, it applies to every CEO/CFO and board member they've had since the beginning of time (ie- what are they being paid this much money for with no results).

I'll say it for the 10 millionth time, KNOW WHAT YOU OWN! The 'story' is great...but it's just that...a story...unless/until they prove otherwise.

You just have not figured out how to make money with the swing trade for a stock that goes down 99% of the time

doesn't look like any bid support either this is might end up being my biggest tax loss if I decide to dump...

Looking like yet another expensive science experiment with no revenue from the last test as I feared. Meanwhile Payne collects $400k a year for doing what exactly? While the company was valued near zero last year they continued to spend millions.

Algaeboy,

Sorry to hear that you haven't traded this name more ..... but I understand it isn't everyone's cup of tea.

As noted previous, I have no doubts the algae and the molecular isolates (new discovery) do work and have significant impacts in multiple areas but most notably as you note ... with inflammation. It is the root cause of numerous human and animal health issues. I used to get Proalgazyme way back when for a family member with IBS issues. Cleared that issue up rather nicely. The applications are immense.

It is my opinion and has been for a long time that ZIVO has some answers to some huge health problems but has been completely mismanaged and never has had the right people in place to make it happen. And IMO there is no reason beyond ineptitude why this hasn't already been scaled for neutraceutical / ingredient options. I understand to a point that certain things needed to be protected first but there was nothing but excuses for years.

Your story on the industry and desperation for new non antibiotic options is true and widely known. Yet here ZIVO is with an answer and yet still sits trying to make a deal. The mastitis tests with Dairy Experts .... Zoetis hand picked CRO .... were positive as far as I know and other positive impacts observed .... but tabled. I believe some of that was ZIVO still hadn't ID'd the molecule at that point. Part of the problem with the industry is the good ole boy pharma network and money train. I believe Zoetis wanted synthetic version to make therapeutic or vaccine which I don't think ZIVO could provide at the time. I'm sure Payne has Kristin Peck in his rolodex and sits on same BoD with Zoetis Chief Medical Officer (who just retired) in recent weeks. So mastitis could come back fast ... but as usual..... all about MONEY.

Anyway .... I wish the best for you and your investment.
Amigo Mike

Algaeboy- therein lies the exact reason that Mike and I have been around for so damn long. IT WORKS! IT REALLY WORKS!

BUT, WHY this management team (multiple now)...cannot for the life of them put this together to monetize it for the problem(s) you state is mind-boggling.

I mean, it's literally right there for the taking...!!!

Mike,

I’ve mistakenly traded very little over the years…Treated this one as a buy/hold option, particularly after the late 2018 info about the molecule discovery, and was also hopeful that something would happen first with Mastitis, and then then the company would have some cash, and away we would go…A series of conversations I’ve had over the years, along with other a few other things, with those in the poultry industry in NOCAL and southern Oregon where I resided at the time, made me understand the industry’s DESPERATE need for a natural product like the Algae produced by ZIVO…Mastitis, Coccidiosis,Inflammation ,Bird flu etc, are VERY SERIOUS issues for all involved at every level of the poultry business world, and have been for years…my thinking was the Proalgazyme was going to become a legit natural option by 2022/23…SILLY ME!!…antibiotic treatments, are simply small Band-Aids on large wounds for the industry, and that will not change anytime soon… So I will just have to sit, hope and wait, but at this point, I’m expecting nothing, and that’s what it looks like we’re gonna get from ZIVO.

LOL weasel,

Not to mention both you and I..... post buys and sells when swinging going back several years. Didn't see all those posts quoted. =)

UNINVESTABLE has been stated many many times. I'll keep doing what I do, you do you. And we will do just fine. =)

Amigo Mike

Tony- You have ZERO idea what the definition of 'swing' trading is (even going as far as ignoring what I defined as such in my prior post).
ZIVO typically presents 1-2 opportunities per year to swing trade for anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. And I've made a chunk doing this for the last decade plus with this pos. lol
The simple fact that you went back to 2014 and essentially replied "look, you're both in too deep"...proves that fact.

Gimme a break. You think Amigo and I are still HOLDING stock from 2014??? You are high as a kite!! Well, I guess we are just passing 4/20, soooo... 🤣🤣🤣

We've even said it's not INVESTABLE (which is what you're trying to imply). I have been in and out of ZIVO/HEPI/WGHL more times since 2014 (actually 2004) than posts you have on this board.

Literally all this post you bring up proves is that ZIVO has the same problems TODAY that they had TEN YEARS ago...hence illustrating the entire point I was making in my prior post about "knowing what's coming" (ie- nothingness after the chicken test hype). This company is what it is until it proves otherwise. Those of us who know/understand that...can continue to benefit off its trading patterns.

And since you're always so convinced of yourself, here's a sneak peak at just THIS year's SWING trade:



I'm so buried it hurts!!! 😂🤣😂

I picked a date in 2014 and found this. You two must be in this deep buying at whatever this was trading at in 2014. Doesn’t sound like “swing trading” to me. Almost any other stock is better “swing trading” than Zivo.

Amigo Mike Free
05/24/14 2:30 PM
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Re: #3,303: Mags has no choice but to buy at
Dunno where this theory comes from that he has to buy to save his investment. What difference does it make if the stock drops to a penny but you know what you have and what it's worth ? Markets go both ways.

Quite the contrary actually. He doesn't need to do any such thing.

First he is a member of HEP Investments. The security for the notes owned by HEP Investments is ALL THE ASSETS OF THE COMPANY. All he has to do is demand payment, foreclose and own it all himself and with his partner. Then he could finish up the needed testing himself and take all the rewards for himself.

He also has millions of cheap warrants to get more stock. Doesn't have to buy the market.

Clearly we all moan about stock price but reality is the value of the company increases with every confirmation of the bioactive. Stock price will get where it needs to be when real investors find the name and HEPI delivers on partner deals. Personally I'd prefer HEPI land Zoetis, start the partner discussion on canine with another major and then sell the company.

Amigo Mike
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weazelboy Free
05/24/14 10:03 AM
Post #3,305
Re: #3,304: Amigo and Hypi, thanks for your response! What
That is the option we ALL should be wanting...a total buyout. It removes all speculation IMO. If they like what they see and the potential revenue opportunities are in the hundreds of millions (or billion)...writing a one-time check for several hundred millions is pocket change for a company that big these days.

In this scenario though, there is no time to accumulate for the run-up. As the purchase price of the company will determine the share price and stock would seemingly open at that determined price the day of said announcement. JMHO.

Of course, at this point...I'll take anything that is revenue generating! LOL.

This is a terrible stock to “swing trade.”

LOL...not if you know WHAT you're doing and WHEN the right time is to engage.

You'll notice, both Mike and I have been entirely hands off for MONTHS now because we KNEW from experience what was coming post the "chicken test hype". What we both currently hold is literally from sub $1.00/share, so the risk is minimal.

ZIVO typically presents 1-2 opportunities per year to swing trade for anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. And I've made a chunk doing this for the last decade plus with this pos. lol

Go back in the board and you'll even see I admittedly sold too much too fast as I'm accustomed to it not lasting as long as it did this time around.

This is a terrible stock to “swing trade.” It barely moves and usually only goes down except for very brief moments, and volume is low. The three largest owners of this who have over 50% have never sold a share from what I can see.

Algaeboy,

Have you not traded this one at all over all those years ?

I've been pretty clear this thing has been "uninvestable" for years. The only way to get your money back and make money has been to swing the ZIVO vine when the opportunity presents. Weasel and I have been very forthcoming with swing trade buys and sells. I realize that isn't everyone's comfort zone though.

As to incompetence, absolutely ... and nothing new as has been stated here a zillion times. Including the BoD not stepping in years sooner to get rid of Dahl. But that was all part of the money train. Some investment support contingent on Dahl as CEO. HUGE mistake.

If you've stood pat all this time I'd have to guess your avg price would never be obtained. Hope that isn't the case.

Last opportunity was late last year. Remains to be seen if $8 is a floor or ceiling at this point . I know we are all hoping it is the floor. I still think this should be $20 today for where ZiVO stands presently... but investors simply aren't going to buy it with no information being offered one way or another.

As you know, for me I'm breaking my own swing trade rules presently .... standing pat for now .... pending more from ZIVO. So for now, I lean that Payne delivers something. However the wheels of big pharma move slower than molasses. So really isn't a surprise to me that a deal hasn't been announced as yet.

Amigo Mike

At this point, I agree with you Tony and think we will be lucky to get $10/share, which for those of us who’ve held the stock for to long like myself, would be awful.

Nothing has changed in years. Incompetence and poor board oversight. My assumption is the three who now own half the company will take it private if there really is an opportunity to make money.

Just sad there’s nothing to talk about here.

LOL, just looks like someone needed gas money yesterday...100 shares kinda laughable

Holding the $8 area?

LOL….I guess with its usual wide spread $8 is not that far away from $6…

You seem a bit antsy. What have you learned about ZIVO these last few months…? Same ole same ole. Miniscule volume and even less interest.

The silence sucks doesn't it ??

Good to see the stock holding the $8 area. Would much prefer that to be $10 area but for now ... it is what it is. Given volume has basically trailed off to almost nothing ..... I would anticipate that insiders and those close to them are holding tight for now.

I still think the silence is a mistake on ZIVO's part but JMHO. And heard Payne and Company too busy pushing hemp pet business to get on with the business of ZIVO. LOL.

Amigo Mike

Okay ZIVO time to give us an update....

https://www.barrons.com/amp/articles/zoetis-stock-pet-arthritis-drugs-b3001b06

If only there was a proven natural anti inflammatory product with no known side effects.

Got it, thx

That makes sense, thank you

No, they would dilute and raise cash if that were the case. A forward split by itself does not put any $$ into company's pocket...

Thank you for explaining that… let’s say something were to happen, wouldn’t it make sense to do another reverse split, not in the direction of the previous two, to put more shares out on the market?

Simply means, the VAST majority of the company shares are in very tight hands. Meaning IF...IF...IF...they ever could actually do SOMETHING/ANYTHING of value...you are dealing with less than 1.4 million shares for the rest of the world to share barring more dilution. Which means, there is virtually no limit to the 'wildness' one could see with substantial volume in the ticker. The move from sub $1.00 to $13 in a straight line is tip of iceberg in that regard imo.

But as you've been around this company as long as Mike and I...you know those 3 "IF's" above are bigger than they are written... 🤣 Hence the reason, I literally have nothing more than a tiny flyer on from $1.00 for giggles and not the 'full boat' I have held in the past here.

Cheers!

Strome is definitely the most sophisticated investor of the three with a track record of making money with other public companies.

Weazelboy,

I’ve NEVER understood ZIVO, and almost everything they’ve done during my 17+ years of owning shares of this wretched company… I’m also not very knowledgeable when it comes to understanding the implications, good or bad, for ZIVO concerning the info you just posted…hoping you could explain further…

New Sch13D just hit for Strome. Between his 4 entities and him personally, he owns 486,174 shares (2nd largest holder).

So, top 3 holders own 1,330,117 of roughly 2.75 million o/s.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1101026/000117494724000523/ea0203503-13da7strome_zivo.htm

Haven't been paying really close attention here lately...and have been out of town a lot...but noticed that HEP Investments/Yaldoo filed an updated Sch 13D a few weeks ago. First one in a while, from what I can see.

Shows 488,785 shares owned which is 17.8% of outstanding (putting o/s roughly 2.75ish million).

That means between Yaldoo 488,785 and Mags 355,158 alone they hold 844k of that 2.75 million. Add in Strome (his last Sch 13 was pre-latest reverse)...but that means insiders hold close to 50% of the o/s in total if you add them all up (not taking the time to do this individually, just a rough guesstimate).

So, most of o/s is still in tight hands now with Armistice out of picture until their warrants come in the $$ at 16.80. By no means does that give me a signal to try and time a bottom here and re-add to position, but the original thesis is still in play if daily chart can base and curl up (also barring no further dilution, which is the part that is least likely, as they need $$ again).

OPTION 4

Merge the whole company with a large pharma company
Acquiring company pays a small portion in cash (enough to payoff small notes etc..) and the rest is in stock

Typically in this type of scenario the acquiring company can pay a higher premium if they pay with stock instead with cash.

If you spend a couple minutes searching online, you will see Payne and Cornell are spending their time on this pet hemp business. Cannot make this up. Are these the big pharma companies he is talking to?

https://chou2pharma.com/about/our-team/

Weasel,

Agree 100%. Personally, I think ZIVO is just 1 mistake after another. This one ..... going dark after the completion and positive results for the final coccidiosis trial.

There's no doubt in my mind Payne is talking to big animal pharma. How many ... dunno, but what I do know is he has personal history with at least 2 of them. Those who actually take the time to look know this. But IMO silence isn't the answer on multiple fronts.

Chart .... yep ... unless it bounces back here above 8.50 it's broke. Again. There was a new bidder end of week for 5K shares at 6.80. Strange to me given the silence but legit bid nonetheless.

Yep ZIVO typical 15 minutes of excitement 364 days of "payne". Pun intended.

Yaldoo still owns a ton. But IMO is a zero outside of his money. And agree 3 guys are holding close to 50% of the stock. And I'm 99% certain there are others close to them that own more. For instance I believe latest Maggiore filings indicated no longer included shares of his brother in laws estate that I'm pretty sure werent sold.

The 10k has a note about a $500k loan on March 5th at 8.5%. Hidden on very last page of 10K. So they have gotten money recently. Of course that's not going to last long and certainly need more. And that is part reason the silence is a problem in my book. I can understand there could certainly be some sensitive discussions happening. And ZIVO has no leverage. But the test results in my book provide the opportunity to create leverage and generate interest to the financial benefit of the company and investors. IMO Payne is more or less part of what I'd call the "establishment" that does things a certain way. He's been the CEO of one of these animal pharmas and is still heavily involved in animal businesses with contacts to all these pharmas. So I can see how not wanting to "rock the boat" might be his style. Whereas a new age CEO might be plastering the results everywhere and doing things completely different.

Bottomline is none of this stuff happens fast in pharma. Clearly at least 1 pharma was in on the original test that was botched. So no doubt in my mind that pharma is still there. My question is who else is in on it? Leverage works wonders for better deal.

Timeline is also a problem. Who knows when ? Nobody knows. So ... ya either own it or ya don't. And patience and balls of steel are required.

I am still standing pat on my swing trade from 60 cents. I am admittedly breaking my own trading rules and hard to sit on such a large gain ..... however I did post my sale to cover costs. So letting it ride for the time being. And ideally would rather a large gain like this fall into LTCG category too but long way to go for that . =)

Amigo Mike

Haven't been paying really close attention here lately...and have been out of town a lot...but noticed that HEP Investments/Yaldoo filed an updated Sch 13D a few weeks ago. First one in a while, from what I can see.

Shows 488,785 shares owned which is 17.8% of outstanding (putting o/s roughly 2.75ish million).

That means between Yaldoo 488,785 and Mags 355,158 alone they hold 844k of that 2.75 million. Add in Strome (his last Sch 13 was pre-latest reverse)...but that means insiders hold close to 50% of the o/s in total if you add them all up (not taking the time to do this individually, just a rough guesstimate).

So, most of o/s is still in tight hands now with Armistice out of picture until their warrants come in the $$ at 16.80. By no means does that give me a signal to try and time a bottom here and re-add to position, but the original thesis is still in play if daily chart can base and curl up (also barring no further dilution, which is the part that is least likely, as they need $$ again).

Daily chart is indeed breaking down. This is why I sold 90% of the shares (many of which were sold much too early, admittedly) I had purchased at the lows during the run-up when everyone wanted it...as this is typical ZIVO nonsense. I'm only holding the super small piece I have because cost basis is sub $1.00. It's nothing more than a flyer that's well in the money at this point.

Barring unexpected news/ZIVO actually doing something (**giggles**), likely heading back into a slow death spiral again. Don't think it will be quite as egregious as the last one given there shouldn't be one group with a ton of stock to unload like last time, but who knows. If it starts closing sub 6.80/7.00 levels could get tough, as everyone who bought the last few months would be underwater OR they want to sell before their profit completely dissipates if they bought on the run-up and didn't sell.

Some individuals acting 'surprised' at this action (or lack thereof from ZIVO) just kill me. Welcome to bio-investing...where 98%+ of the companies are in the same damn position. lol

Patent for the use of the company’s proprietary algal biomass product to promote a healthy immune response for use in dairy cattle filed four years ago. Zero revenue from this.

Bill Pfund is listed as Vice-President for Research & Development. I assume he was also overseeing the testing activities in early 2023. How much has he been paid during the last four years? Appears he is still at Zivo.

Also still appears Zivo has a full time CFO. Doing what? Floors me people with a lot more stock than I do and losses far greater than mine tolerate this.

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/zivo-bioscience-announces-us-patent-office-notice-of-allowance-for-administration-of-proprietary-algal-biomass-to-support-immune-health-/

Looking like the latest test was just the most recent science experiment that has contributed to $100 million in sunk costs over the decades. Just zero accountability with Zivo. Spending money they don’t have with no plan to generate revenue.

Looks like some "itchy" hands dumping some ZIVO today.

Not surprising really. Was wondering when it was going to happen given ZIVO pretty much gone dark again.
Unfortunate but chart watchers will see a breakdown here unless it bounces back above $8.50 and holds.

Amigo Mike

This has been the issue with ZIVO. They have not been staffed to continue on or in a position to raise more cash without massive dilution for well over a decade and this has not stopped them from marching on, shareholders be damned.

“They are not staffed to continue on or in a position to raising more cash without massive dilution”

Tony, my "Hunch" is ZIVO seems to be done with tests and new experiments and now focused on cutting a deal or selling the company. They are not staffed to continue on or in a position to raising more cash without massive dilution. So MY logical conclusion is they cut a deal with a large animal pharma or a large company that deals in algae strains of which ZIVO has proprietary patents etc.

**OPTIONS AS I SEE IT**
Sell the whole company
Sell a portion of the company
License a portion of the company