Cann American Corporation (CE) (CNNA) Quote

BLOCK HIM OR THEM...
Whatever they are! That's what I did - it's the only way to get rid of them.. Nothing but a Pain In The Arse!
I am hanging in there - been here way too long to let go now!

Keep the faith and GOOD LUCK to all who still believe... 😀 Let's shoot for the Moon! 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀

Same crap posts every week or every other few days by the loser bear who doesn't understand how this OTC stock stuff works.

This is not SEC Reporting. It has nothing to do with the SEC. I hope the loser will help get my bids filled at .0006 or lower 😁 😆 🤣 😂

I'm ready. Bids in.

good question ronnie.
and cry he will

can you please STFU.
your input is always the same crap every week.

When Google Gemini is asked...

Question: Is Mark Miller involved with SAPX?

https://gemini.google.com/app/774e354d60334434

Answer: Based on the search results, Mark Miller has been involved in activities related to publicly traded companies, including those in the penny stock market. Specifically, there are records indicating a connection between Mark Miller and Seven Arts Entertainment, Inc. (SAPX). Here's a summary of the information:

• Financial Activities:

• Public records show that Capitol Capital Corporation, associated with Mark Miller, has been a noteholder in Seven Arts Entertainment, Inc. (SAPX).

• There are records of debt notes previously held by Capitol Capital Corporation being transferred to Via Capital, which then converted those notes into shares of SAPX stock.

• Legal Issues:

• It's important to note that Mark Miller has been involved in legal issues related to securities fraud, including "pump and dump" schemes and the hijacking of inactive penny stock companies. This information comes from reports of SEC charges and criminal indictments.

Therefore, there is information that connects Mark Miller to activities involving SAPX, particularly concerning financial transactions and debt notes. However it is also very important to understand that Mark Miller has had legal issues surrounding his actions within the stock market.

Where are the missing CNNA financials since 2022?

Where are the missing CNNA financials for 2016 and 2017?

Where's Pink Limited?

Where's Pink Current?

Where's CNNA's SEC Form 10 registration statement approval?

Where are CNNA's SEC/FINRA corporate action approvals?

Why hasn't the CEO communicated to shareholders in ages?

CNNA has had no financial statements since 2022 and the missing financial statements from 2016 and 2017.

All the missing financials make CNNA a delinquent ticker with the SEC because CNNA continues to violate FINRA Rule 6490 which means there's an SEC freeze on any Form 10 Registration Statement approval. There's also a freeze on any SEC /FINRA corporate action approval such as a merger.

It's also impossible for CNNA to go back that many years (especially 2016 and 2017) to audit and balance the books.

That makes CNNA a dead ticker because the company will never get anything approved by the SEC/FINRA - EVER - because of all of its missing financial statements and continued violation of FINRA Rule 6490. No wonder this scam is in Expert Market. It can only continue to do measly trades on Expert Market as it whithers away into eventual delisting.

Pumpers here bought into a scam.

CNNA hasn't filed a financial report since 10/15/2022 and has missing financials from 2016 and 2017.

That means CNNA is delinquent with the SEC, is in violation of FINRA Rule 6490, has a SEC restriction on it's corporate actions.

CNNA is still accountable for these missing financials if it wants to get its Form 10 registration statement approved by the SEC and CNNA is having trouble getting its Form 10 Registration approved.

CNNA had to withdraw its Form 10 Registration statement which was pumped here for over a year.

CNNA is having trouble getting its Form 10 approved by the SEC. Gee, could all the missing financials have anything to do with it? I think so.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1368620/000168316823005493/cann_rw.htm

Not being able to get its Form 10 Registration approved by the SEC was beginning of the end for this stock.

CNNA is folllowing the same scam playbook as several other scams I have witnessed through the years:

1. SEC delinquent because of years of missing financials statements.

2. No Form 10 registration statement approval with the SEC that is needed for a merger.

3. In violation of FINRA Rule 6490.

4. An SEC restriction of corporate actions because of 1, 2 and 3 above.

5. Price crashes once the pump is over and the market figures out that going back years to balance the books is impossible, but not before insiders cash out to line their pockets before the dump.

There have been no financials filed for CNNA since 10/15/2022 and there is a gap of missing financials from 2016 and 2017 which means CNNA is delinquent with the SEC and in violation of FINRA Rule 6490. Because of this, CNNA won't be able to get a Form 10 Registration approved by the SEC. This means that CNNA won't get any corporate actions such as a merger or name change approved by SEC/FINRA.

I'm backing up what I'm saying with verifiable documentation.

https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/CNNA/disclosure



CNNA is a scam and a dead stock.

When Google Gemini is asked...

Question: Is Cann American Corp a scam because of Jason Black?

https://gemini.google.com/app/438cbb7a2a30898c

Answer: Based on the search results, the situation surrounding Cann American Corp. and Jason Black involves complex financial dealings and allegations of potentially fraudulent activities. Here's a breakdown of key points:

• Involvement with Mark Miller:

• Reports indicate that Jason Black has been involved with individuals, like Mark Miller, who have been implicated in "pump and dump" schemes and the illegal takeover of dormant public shell companies.

• Court documents highlight connections between Jason Black and financial transactions related to these schemes.

• Specifically, there are connections between Jason Black, Mark Miller, and financial transactions related to convertible debt notes in companies like Indo Global Exchanges Pte Ltd (IGEX), MedX Holdings Inc (MEDH), Cann American Corp (CNNA), and Seven Arts Entertainment, Inc (SAPX). 1  

1. Shell Hijacker, Mark Miller, Sentenced to One Year in Prison - Securities Lawyer 101

www.securitieslawyer101.com

• Concerns about Financial Transactions:

• There are documented financial transactions that raise concerns, including the transfer of funds between entities associated with Jason Black and Mark Miller.

• The use of entities like Capitol Capital Corporation in these transactions is also a point of concern.

• Company History and Changes:

• Cann American Corp. has undergone changes in leadership, and it has connections to other companies involved in these financial controversies.

In summary, the information available indicates that Jason Black's association with Cann American Corp. is tied to a history of questionable financial practices. Therefore, there are valid reasons to be very wary of this company. It is very important to do your own thorough research before any investment decisions.

It's important to note that allegations do not equate to definitive proof of guilt. However, the information presented raises significant red flags.

https://www.securitieslawyer101.com/2023/shell-hijacker-mark-miller-sentenced-to-one-year-in-prison/


On May 18, 2023, Mark Miller became the last of three men to be sentenced for a securities fraud scheme that involved hijacking several abandoned penny stocks, then using them for an illegal pump-and-dump stock manipulation scheme.  Miller pleaded guilty to count 1 of the Indictment, Conspiracy to Commit Securities Fraud, and was sentenced to 12 months and 1 day in prison, followed by 2 years of supervised release...

CNNA recently appointed Jason Tucker, former CEO of LEAS, as its new CEO, giving it yet another connection to past Miller frauds.  And according to SAPX OTC disclosures, on December 27, 2022, all the debt notes previously put in the name of Capitol Capital Corporation were transferred to an entity named Via Capital, represented in the SAPX filings by Jesus Cipriano, keeping the notes active despite Mark Miller’s various legal issues. Via Capital immediately started converting the debt into large chunks of free trading stock, including 150,000,000 shares on December 28, 2022, 150,000,000 shares on February 21, 2023, and 180,000,000 shares on March 6, 2023. SAPX has also begun to issue new debt notes to Via Capital.

https://www.securitieslawyer101.com/2023/shell-hijacker-mark-miller-sentenced-to-one-year-in-prison/

Court documents show that Capitol Capital Corporation received several big chunks of stock in IGEX, then transferred the shares to Tiger Trout Capital LLC, a Puerto Rican entity controlled by Alan Masley. A bank statement from December 2019 provided in the lawsuit shows that Tiger Trout Capital LLC would then transfer money back to Capitol Capital Corporation, who, in turn, split the money between Mark Miller and Jason Black (Market Cap Concepts LLC). At the time, Jason Black was the CEO of IGEX, and none of the debt conversions were disclosed in any of the IGEX OTC filings.

Public records show that Capitol Capital Corporation has also been involved as a noteholder in at least three other public issuers that used Jason Black as the CEO, MedX Holdings Inc (MEDH), Cann American Corp (CNNA), and Seven Arts Entertainment, Inc (SAPX).

https://www.otcmarkets.com/otcapi/company/financial-report/327349/content

https://www.securitieslawyer101.com/2023/shell-hijacker-mark-miller-sentenced-to-one-year-in-prison/

Besides his hijacking antics, Miller has also faced some legal pressure in a separate civil suit filed against him in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois by David Goulding, Howard Salamon, Robyn Goulding, and John O’Shea, regarding a company named Capitol Capital Corporation. According to the court documents, the individuals collaborated, together with Jason Black, to create a convertible debt Note in Indo Global Exchanges Pte Ltd (IGEX) in the name of Capitol Capital Corporation, using old existing debt and alleged “service fees”. The individuals then agreed to split the proceeds from the stock sales.

Court documents show that Capitol Capital Corporation received several big chunks of stock in IGEX, then transferred the shares to Tiger Trout Capital LLC, a Puerto Rican entity controlled by Alan Masley.  A bank statement from December 2019 provided in the lawsuit shows that Tiger Trout Capital LLC would then transfer money back to Capitol Capital Corporation, who, in turn,  split the money between Mark Miller and Jason Black (Market Cap Concepts LLC). At the time, Jason Black was the CEO of IGEX, and none of the debt conversions were disclosed in any of the IGEX OTC filings. 

Public records show that Capitol Capital Corporation has also been involved as a noteholder in at least three other public issuers that used Jason Black as the CEO, MedX Holdings Inc (MEDH), Cann American Corp (CNNA), and Seven Arts Entertainment, Inc (SAPX).

CNNA recently appointed Jason Tucker, former CEO of LEAS, as its new CEO, giving it yet another connection to past Miller frauds. And according to SAPX OTC disclosures, on December 27, 2022, all the debt notes previously put in the name of Capitol Capital Corporation were transferred to an entity named Via Capital, represented in the SAPX filings by Jesus Cipriano, keeping the notes active despite Mark Miller’s various legal issues. Via Capital immediately started converting the debt into large chunks of free trading stock, including 150,000,000 shares on December 28, 2022, 150,000,000 shares on February 21, 2023, and 180,000,000 shares on March 6, 2023. SAPX has also begun to issue new debt notes to Via Capital.

Previously, in December 2020, Gary Kouletas (PAG Group LLC), who was another insider in LEAS and MEDH, was arrested and charged in a separate pump & dump scheme involving Global Resource Energy Inc (GBEN).  That Indictment references an unnamed “Cooperating Witness” who is described as “a stock promoter and CEO of several public companies under federal investigation for securities fraud-related offenses but not yet charged.”

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=170221017

Share selling scam exposed (IGEX, MEDH, SAPX, CNNA)

Straight from the SEC website:

https://www.sec.gov/enforcement-litigation/litigation-releases/lr-25469

Rahim Mohamed, Davies (Dave") Wong

SEC Charges 18 Defendants in International Scheme to Manipulate Stocks Using Hacked US Brokerage Accounts

Litigation Release No. 25469 / August 16, 2022

Securities and Exchange Commission v. Rahim Mohamed, Davies ("Dave") Wong, Glenn B. Laken, Richard C.S. Tang, Zoltan Nagy, Jeffrey D. Cox, Phillip G. Sewell, Breanne M. Wong, Christophe Merani, Anna Tang, Robert W. Seeley, Richard B. Smith, Christopher R. Smith, H.E. Capital SA, POP Holdings Ltd., Maximum Ventures Holdings LLC, Harmony Ridge Corp., and Avatele Group LLC, Defendants, and 9224-3708 Quebec, Inc., a/k/a Distributions Bano, and Jason Black, Relief Defendants, No. 1:22-cv-03252 (N.D. Ga. filed Aug. 15, 2022)

The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged 18 individuals and entities for their roles in a fraudulent scheme in which dozens of online retail brokerage accounts were hacked and improperly used to purchase microcap stocks to manipulate the price and trading volume of those stocks. Those charged include Rahim Mohamed of Alberta, Canada, who is alleged to have coordinated the hacking attacks, and several others in and outside the U.S. who allegedly benefited from or participated in the scheme.

According to the SEC's complaint, in late 2017 and early 2018, hackers accessed at least 31 U.S. retail brokerage accounts and used them to purchase the securities of Lotus Bio-Technology Development Corp. and Good Gaming, Inc. The unauthorized purchases allegedly enabled fraudsters, who already controlled large blocks of Lotus Bio-Tech and Good Gaming stock, to sell their holdings at artificially high prices and reap more than $1 million in illicit proceeds. According to the complaint, Davies Wong of British Columbia, Canada, and Glenn B. Laken of Illinois, respectively, controlled the majority of the Lotus Bio-Tech and Good Gaming stock that was sold while the hacking attacks were being carried out, and Mohamed coordinated with Davies Wong, Laken, and others to orchestrate the attacks. The complaint also alleges that Richard Tang of British Columbia, Canada, was involved with both the Lotus Bio-Tech and Good Gaming schemes.

The SEC's complaint charges violations of the antifraud and beneficial ownership reporting provisions of the Securities Act of 1933 ("Securities Act") and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 ("Exchange Act"), and names two relief defendants who received proceeds from the hacks. More specifically, the complaint charges the following defendants with the following violations:


• Rahim Mohamed of Alberta, Canada, with directly violating, and aiding and abetting violations of, Section 17(a) of the Securities Act, and Sections 9(a) and 10(b) of the Exchange Act, and Rule 10b-5 thereunder;
 

• Davies Wong of British Columbia, Canada, Richard Tang of British Columbia, Canada, Zoltan Nagy of British Columbia, Canada, Anna Tang of British Columbia, Canada, and Breanne Wong of British Columbia, Canada and Panama, with directly violating, and aiding and abetting violations of, Section 17(a) of the Securities Act, and Section 10(b) of the Exchange Act, and Rule 10b-5 thereunder, and directly violating Sections 13(d) and 16(a) of the Exchange Act, and Rules 13d-1 and 16a-3 thereunder;
 

• Glenn B. Laken of Illinois, Jeffrey Cox of Alberta, Canada, Christophe Merani of Illinois, and Phillip Sewell of British Columbia, Canada, with directly violating, and aiding and abetting violations of, Section 17(a) of the Securities Act, and Section 10(b) of the Exchange Act, and Rule 10b-5 thereunder;
 

• Robert Seeley of the Dominican Republic, Christopher R. Smith of the Dominican Republic, Richard B. Smith of the Dominican Republic, Wyoming entity Harmony Ridge Corp., and Nevis entities H.E. Capital SA and POP Holdings Ltd., with aiding and abetting violations of Section 17(a) of the Securities Act, and Section 10(b) of the Exchange Act, and Rule 10b-5 thereunder;
 

• Wyoming entity Maximum Ventures Holdings LLC, with aiding and abetting violations of Section 17(a) of the Securities Act, and Section 10(b) of the Exchange Act, and Rule 10b-5 thereunder, and directly violating Sections 13(d) and 16(a) of the Exchange Act, and Rules 13d-1 and 16a-3 thereunder; and
 

• Wyoming entity Avatele Group LLC, with directly violating Sections 13(d) and 16(a) of the Exchange Act, and Rules 13d-1 and 16a-3 thereunder.

The SEC's complaint also names Quebec, Canada entity 9224-3708 Quebec Inc., a/k/a Distributions Bano, and Jason Black of California and/or Georgia, as relief defendants. The SEC seeks the return of ill-gotten gains plus interest, penalties, bars, and other equitable relief. The SEC's investigation is continuing.

The SEC's investigation has been conducted by Joshua Dickman and Lucy Graetz of the Atlanta Regional Office, Andrew McFall of the Washington, D.C. Office, and Patrick McCluskey of the Philadelphia Regional Office, with the assistance of Marlee Miller and Owen Granke of the SEC's Office of International Affairs. The case is being supervised by Acting Chief of the Crypto Assets and Cyber Unit Carolyn Welshhans, Market Abuse Unit Chief Joseph Sansone, Justin Jeffries and Natalie Brunson of the Atlanta Regional Office, and Amy Flaherty Hartman of the Chicago Regional Office. Robert Gordon and William Hicks of the Atlanta Regional Office will lead the SEC's litigation, supervised by M. Graham Loomis.

The SEC appreciates the assistance of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, the Alberta Securities Commission, the Australia Securities and Investments Commission, the British Columbia Securities Commission, the Calgary Police Service, the Cayman Islands Monetary Authority, the Dubai Financial Services Authority, the French Autoritƒ© des Marchƒ©s Financiers, the Hong Kong Securities and Futures Commission, the Mauritius Financial Services Commission, the Ontario Securities Commission, the Quebec Autoritƒ© des Marchƒ©s Financiers, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Securities Commission of the Bahamas, the Sƒ»retƒ© du Quƒ©bec, the Superintendencia del Mercado de Valores de la Repƒºblica Dominicana, the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority, and the United Kingdom Financial Conduct Authority.

To learn more about how to protect your online investment accounts from fraud, please visit the SEC's Office of Investor Education and Advocacy investor alerts webpage.

• SEC Complaint

Last Reviewed or Updated: May 31, 2023

As I said the SEC has no issue with the Miller and Black involved company SAPX
You are lying.

If that's true where is CNNA and SAPX's SEC approved Form 10 registration stayement? They don't exist.

Both stocks are delinquent with the SEC because of their missing financials. There both are also in violation of FINRA Rule 6490 and both have SEC restrictions on any corporate actions such as a name/ticker symbol change and/or merger.

CNNA and SAPX are both dead scam stocks.

Where are all the missing financials for both stocks?

Where is the Form 10 approval for both stocks?

Where are the SEC corporate action approvals for both stocks?

All the while both stocks die a slow death because of its documented scamming management of Mark Miller and Jason Black.

As I said the SEC has no issue with the Miller and Black involved company SAPX


Per AI

Yes, the OTC market is sanctioned and regulated by the SEC. While the SEC doesn't directly operate the OTC market, it plays a crucial role in its oversight and enforcement of securities laws. The SEC relies on other entities, such as FINRA and OTC Markets Group, to monitor and enforce regulatory requirements on a day-to-day basis[/quote]

Pink Current.
And SEC delinquent, in violation of FINRA Rule 6490, has years of missing financial statements, has a SEC restriction on any corporate actions approvals such as a name change or a merger.

This stock is dead yet ignorant pumpers keep pumping this garbage.

https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/SAPX/security

Pink Current.

Maybe those things you find with companies don't matter?

Just to u?

Giggles..🤠

SAPX and that is trading with no SEC issues?
SAPX does have SEC/FINRA issues. Just because SAPX is Pink Current with OTC Markets and its lax reporting requirements doesn't mean it isn't SEC delinquent - which SAPX is.

Where is SAPX'S approved Form 10 registration statement with the SEC? It doesn't exist - again after years of the same scamming management as CNNA saying they would file it and leading investors on and never doing it.

SAPX also has missing financials from 2015 - 2019 which, as I said, makes SAPX SEC delinquent.



CNNA and SAPX are both Mark Miller (Capital Capitol Corporation) and Jason Black scams.

Questions for you?

Wasn't CNNA trading after 2016 and 2017?

Wasn't Milller and Black involved too with SAPX and that is trading with no SEC issues?

Good post..

What corner are you going to go cry to when you are wrong?
I'm not wrong.

Everything I have posted is a fact with documentation as opposed to your pumper hopium with absolutely no documentation.

CNNA is a convicted felon Mark Miller (Capital Capitol Corporation) and Jason Black scam.

Pumpers have been lying by saying for years that CNNA will file a Form 10 registration statement. It hasn't because it can't.

After years of stringing people along (yes several YEARS) yet scamming management are no closer to filing a Form 10 today than they were years ago - nowhere because they can't file a Form 10 because of the missing financials.

What corner are you going to go cry to when you are wrong?

Is it an issue with the audit itself or an issue with Finra.
CNNA has issues with the SEC and FINRA because of the missing financials since 2022 and from 2016 and 2017.

CNNA is delinquent with the SEC because of the missing financials, is in violation of FINRA Rule 6490, has a restriction on its corporate actions by the SEC/FINRA (such as a name change and/or merger) and has been talking about filing a Form 10 for years yet it never does.

This is just another Mark Miller (Capitol Capital Corporation) and Jason Black scam.

"Yeah, Prodigy’s website looks decent, but we don’t know anything real about it."

Yeah, your right,expect we know that it is a real company that went though FDA scrutiny "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approves stem cell therapies, but primarily for specific, well-defined medical needs." and that their other subsidiary is offering more medical benefits accepted by more medical practices today then it did a year and a half ago.

Question for you.

Why are you looking for news? My guess like the majority you expect news to cause interest in the company thus causing the stock price to rise.

If a company is in EM and retail buyers can't buy, in the US why waste the news?

The company has relayed to us when they are told by their auditor they should be close to filing, the only thing the company has not shared is what is the hiccup that keeps causing the delay. Is it an issue with the audit itself or an issue with Finra.

I do not advise any one to buy, sell or hold, the only thing I suggest is with a major change coming to the OTC Markets in July, since I have already waited this long what is another 3 months to see it that OTC Markets change ends up affecting this position.

Please enlighten me on how a company and the shareholders in EM would benefit from receiving such information. Except to appease people who complain nonstop such as yourself. I for one would only want them to divulge how many partners and who they are or how many subscribers they have after EM. Any major news during EM would have little to no effect on SP.

At some stage they will be whipped off you and offloaded at .0080+ with thanks..

Unfortunately it's unlikely that the 2,251,817 sell will be a panacea for your misery...

But hey, u never know..

Wondering how long will it take to sell my shares...🤔🤔🤔

Don't go away mad..just go away 

I might hold my other half, but honestly, I’m just tired of all the lies and waiting around for nothing. They’ve been claiming this would be out of EM for how long now? Zero trust left in any of these guys.


Yeah, Prodigy’s website looks decent, but we don’t know anything real about it. Are they even making money? Who are their partners? How many customers have they actually acquired in the last couple of years? There’s been no meaningful update, and for someone who loves to talk, you’d think he’d be bragging nonstop if things were really going well.


At this point, I’ll take my chances. Just hoping someone’s willing to park their money so I can finally get out of this misery.

IMHO! you will be very sorry!

I simply base this by the enthusiasm Kramer has shown the last year and a half.

He has given me no indication that he doesn't believe his shares will not be worth something significant down the road.

2,251,817 to be exact. 

None, I was never able to have them set it at my price but todays agent did it so if you are in Canada...BUY MY SHARES!!! 

How many times have sold half your stash?😂

Good for 6 months. Thats what the agent said. So hopefully it happens before that so you guys can forget about me for good! Win win for everyone 👍

That's pretty good on a zero volume day! 

Just unloaded half my stash, 2.5 MILLION at a generous $0.0040. Basically a charity at this point. Don’t all rush in at once… wouldn’t want the servers to crash from the stampede. Buy now or cry later!😂😂😂

I hear a Jail breaking is coming here?

Very well said..

Little perspective for holders here, I am in  multiple and I mean heavy, multiple, expert market tickers with zero volume and trading at 100 times less than CNNA.  They have taken care of you all for a reason, just keep your chin up.  

I am doing great Swampy thanks.

My reality is the hopium has gone flat..

As flat as the people at the company feel that 6 weeks ago saw all good on the horizon before the unseen bump..

Mr79 got an excellent response and then presented here under the same attitude you have..

"Scam etc'

Let's say kids stuff.. No content or awareness of what is actually going on..

i don't know either..

My read is they are doing all they can in a head wrecking situation..

I can only imagine the pain of presenting numbers that another company had fiddled.. a company that went bust..

After reading Mr 79's intro to the excellent and detailed response from the company..

I would say outstanding investor-company interaction..

I wondered why he had no appreciation for the effort.

I would have thanked her profusely..

I hope after that effort she didn't read his relaying here on the board.

It would be a real downer for her..

A downer like his attitude and yours Swampy..

How are all the dreamers doing today? Still manifesting that magical $0.25 or have we finally accepted that we got played like a fiddle? Just checking in to see if the hopium reserves are still stocked or if reality’s finally kicked in.

I hope one of them can make CNNA Pink!😎

Prodigy’s last tweet has 23k views 👀

It's not Pink Limited. But the B/A is correct.

I use 5 brokerages. This is a screenshot of IBKR App on mobile.

Sometimes they get earlier info than OTC 

Why does it say pink limited? What broker do you use?

What about it??