Thanks alot Werder not held for long and added to last week at what I thought was bottom, but I was brginning to think I was missing something. With take up of URU climbing well and the future potential re gaming industry and bank fraud bring such a big problem I am feeling buoyant about them to but it's nice to hear that you have similar thoughts even if the SP hasn't wised up yet. Sorry about the off topic everybody but it's so easy to find people on this board as it's alway so busy - like a Parisian cafe where poeple drop in and out, sharing their views in a pleasant atmosphere or is that it the shop down the bottom of the road where all the drunks and drop outs buy there meths and white lightning and then spill out onto the road trying to knock ten bells out of each other when they fall out. I reserve judgement. Regards Stig.