Got to agree irrelevant! BT r crud = port blocking/dial-up backup is crud/downtime/connection monitoring etc etc, people demand a quick effective internet service. However, Why not just choose a different ISP if using adsl? Demon/f2s bla bla/etc etc instead of everyone ranting BT r shit, we all know this. I use freedom2surf for adsl and they don't block anything, complete surfing Heaven! The only thing I can't get away from is it goe's over bt's copper and splits off from bt at my local exchange to f2s thank god. I got 5 machines behind my router and it's well rapid considering, I run my own webserver/mailsvr/etc etc. This isn't a bt deramp, they manage to do that themselves with their rules and dictatorship when using their internet services. People, just remember BT are a Telecomms company primary and haven't obviously got to speed with other ISP's. I didn't go for cable because they don't offer a public ip block and were too expensive. Bring on sdsl then the cable company's will feel the sqeeze.