When you say (1453) that "the next lot of results will do it for me", it is indeed likely that they will show another loss if the consensus of analysts' forecasts is anything to go by. These show EBITDA losses of around £3m expected for 2005 and anticipate breakeven/small profit in 2006. I suppose 2005 results may give an indication of the commencement of serious cashflow from RTN; maybe that's what you're looking for rather than just bottom line PBT. TheBullyBoy was spot on in 1475 - this share is all about the commencement of cashflow and everything else is just chatter.