gilbert. Yes, this is a classic P&D share. Done 3 times this year, I think. I was pulled in during the one in early September and need a bid of .28p to break even. This has been achieved, but I'm waiting for a little more and am confident of achieving it soon, but to say more would be to ramp in your terms. I'm only looking for a smallish gain of perhaps .07 or .08p, In the meantime I'm looking at alternative methods of selection, so the 'free' time is useful. I don't see the point in using a tracker with the markets at their current levels. I take your point regarding fake emails - I've never paid serious attention to them. There are plenty of rampers and derampers here, but there are also knowledgeable people.