dump bprg the company has failed to return investor value

peterquint - 24 Mar'04 - 13:48 - 25 of 89595


Everyone just filter him and that will be the end of it.

lacoquille - 24 Mar'04 - 13:50 - 26 of 89595


aimraider ... no, you didn't, but after a while it didn't matter who did what. The other thread hopefully is dead and this one will take its place. I think I have a sense of humor but none of that was even slightly amusing. Maybe that was belabed's way of killing his own baby, though.

davidcod -- thanks for the intraday -- can you add the line for yesterday's close and take out the other red lines on it -- not sure what they mean or add. Can you also shrink the other charts so they ALL can be seen at a glance and posts aren't still half way down the page before they begin? Just my suggestions.

The queen is dead, long live the queen (over here).

Thanks again, david.

2kpromoe - 24 Mar'04 - 13:51 - 27 of 89595


Davidcod--> good effort mate, lets hope it sticks to valuable research and leaves the 'excess crap' out. I some how doubt it, but thanks for the new thread.

melly123 - 24 Mar'04 - 13:53 - 28 of 89595


AIMRaider
come on
you should know me by now
anyway i can't make him look much more of a fool.
he has done a great job of doing that himself.

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 13:53 - 29 of 89595


laq - thank you for that... I don't mind taking the blame for posting but, I did maintain my sense of humour and tried to keep the posts relative to the thread... I'm sorry if it turned out that I was the reason for the tantrums...

I wish they had been as vituperous over IC's and friends posts... ahh well!!

nice pickies on the top... :@)

matto - 24 Mar'04 - 13:53 - 30 of 89595


lacoq - I'm sure you've noticed by now its a 5 day chart so the red lines are closing prices for previous days.

Personally I'm not bothered whether we stick with that or the intraday.

lacoquille - 24 Mar'04 - 13:54 - 31 of 89595


davidcod ... one last thing and then I'll be quiet -- can you add volume to the intraday -- and something's screwed up on the times at the bottom -- too much information, all garbled! Whatever belabed had as his intraday, before chaos took over, worked for me (plus vol if possible). Danke.



AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 13:56 - 32 of 89595


on topic

Has anyone noticed that the share looks to be running almost normal today??? CSCS still holding it down a bit, ie keeping a loose chokechain on potential upside but not limiting the downside...

:@)

H101 - 24 Mar'04 - 13:57 - 33 of 89595


The only answer it seems to me is to have a "moderated" group. That is, one which is members-only and where members (and their posts) can be removed. Now since A D V F N it its wisdom does not have that facility I have created a private members' group at Yahoo (link below).





Click to subscribe to Bioprogress


Unfortunately you need a Yahoo id. I suggest people simply put "BPRG_" in front of their A D V F N id - this I am BPRG_H101.

Currently the group allows anyone to join and post. This will be reviewed as necessary by moderators.

It has some nifty features which may prove attractive: files area, Links area, email messages or web messages or regular digests.

I envisage this being an ultra-low noise group since I don't intend to tolerate what has happened to an otherwise good thread. I am happy to share moderation with known and valued posters.

If you don't want to use it then fine - but don't complain there is no solution to the hi-jacking of threads here.

Oh - and a small bonus - I think multiple ids will be easier to detect. Now - any volunteers for moderator? Any volunteers to test the group?

Apologies for spamming BPRG threads.

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 13:58 - 34 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AIMRAIDER

How are CS holding it down in any way?

Haven't they been outside the bid/offer range for most of the day?

THE COUNT!

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 13:59 - 35 of 89595


H101 - I think we prefer ADVFN, and freedom of speech, thank you...

lacoquille - 24 Mar'04 - 13:59 - 36 of 89595


thanks for clarifying, matto -- no, I didn't realize that. Whatever works for the most readers (as long as the garble at the bottom is readable) ...

WestBrit - 24 Mar'04 - 14:00 - 37 of 89595


Great job davidcod, love all the graphs ...

but have a couple of questions on them:

What's the significance of the empty green boxes vs the filled blue boxes on the daily chart?
On the MACD & relative strenth index - never done any TA - could anyone give a brief explanation of what it all means? :o)

Also you may want to include the links to the 'research' thread & website in your header as belabed did? Just my 2p worth!

Cheers,
WB

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 14:01 - 38 of 89595


from previous thread:

ShirishG (ADVFN) - 24 Mar'04 - 13:58 - 28516 of 28518

Dear All,

As you all may know, we do not police these threads and would like to this the threads can manage themselves.

Racist posts will not be tolerated and will be removed. Continued posts from the same user will result in a permanent ban - without question and beyond contestation.

Regards

Siri

matto - 24 Mar'04 - 14:01 - 39 of 89595


H101 - You can see people's IP addresses using Yahoo groups. Lots of people like the anonymity of ADVFN.

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 14:03 - 40 of 89595


-->THE COUNT

I have watched CSCS for several weeks, they always manage to keep the offer down to where they want it to be.... several occasions when SCAP has tried to push the offer up by even coming onto the bid at the offer price to force CSCS OFF the offer and allow the share to rise, they have failed and forced SCAP back off the bid.......When CSCS lose control, they back off and pick another hold point, then hold on again, and as soon as the volume drops, they drive the price back down again using a mix of bid and offer movements. The thing is - it is always them, sometimes alone and sometimes with WINS... KBCS, SCAP & JEFF all seem to work independantly and in normal market conditions...and it shows...


jan-mar - 24 Mar'04 - 14:05 - 41 of 89595


count

i think the MM have been running their books about even for about a week now, all orders filled and any news will move the price up add to this a brokers note will stimulate some press comments

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 14:09 - 42 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AIMRAIDER

I'm afraid you are getting a little paranoid old bean.

CS have been, on the whole, outside of the touch and thus been neutral in the last week or two which indicates to me that something is in the pipeline shortly and they are covering their arses by staying neutral.

It should all be highly positive.

THE COUNT!

sthomson2 - 24 Mar'04 - 14:10 - 43 of 89595


I think the mkt is looking for direction, and without CSCS pushing it either way everybody (other MMs and private punters) seem lost for direction.

My guess is that CSCS have been told by their senior management not to actively solicit for business either way (by not going it alone on the best bid and offer) as CS's corporate broking business is about to issue a note. This I know for a fact is commonplace among a number of houses, if not all these days, regardless of chinese walls etc. The regulators are out to punish market abuse and for the sake of 1 or 2 days dictating the price its best they stay out of the picture.

CSCS will of course be able to trade if they are solicited by a broker or institution.

This may go some way in explaning the rather muted activity today.

Perhaps the calm before the storm!

Good luck all!

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 14:10 - 44 of 89595


THE COUNT--->JAN-MAR

My feelings precisely.

THE COUNT!

matto - 24 Mar'04 - 14:12 - 45 of 89595


I don't believe it some useful information!

Thanks guys.

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 14:13 - 46 of 89595


-->THE COUNT

I don't need the patronising stuff, 'old bean'.. your explanation would suffice - you asked for my opinion, I gave it...

However, I agree things are rather positive and disagree about CSCS's neutrality as in that case they would rise and fall with the price, or place themselves 5p out on either side and would so indicate they are not in the game...and maintain that price distance at all times so there was no possibility of coming onto the bid or offer... just my opinion...

AIMRaider



lacoquille - 24 Mar'04 - 14:13 - 47 of 89595


from one of the other new boards (with the same old names, different punctuation -- hard to discern at a glance for newcomers. Hope this one becomes "the board of choice.")

obviously advn has some standards.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ShirishG (ADVFN) - 24 Mar'04 - 13:58 - 28516 of 28521


Dear All,

As you all may know, we do not police these threads and would like to this the threads can manage themselves.

Racist posts will not be tolerated and will be removed. Continued posts from the same user will result in a permanent ban - without question and beyond contestation.

Regards

Siri


pyglet - 24 Mar'04 - 14:14 - 48 of 89595


Davidcod - well done.
But......are you going to add the intraday chart rather than the 5 day one - it is so much clearer.
thanks in advance.

lacoquille - 24 Mar'04 - 14:14 - 49 of 89595


you beat me to it, david!

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 14:16 - 50 of 89595


anybody got the link for the intraday chart?

nicebut - 24 Mar'04 - 14:17 - 51 of 89595


Having missed 540 posts -When is the hot money predicting the swallow RNS? Any guesses?-and indeed the brokers note- How long after the brokers note, do we lesser mortals get to see it if ever?

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 14:18 - 52 of 89595


lacoquille

I have found from 3 years of posting and [2 temporary bans] that ADVFN indeed do have a set of standards.. They allow free speech, no spamming, no advertising, no racism and no personal attacks.. on the whole anything else goes unless it gets out of hand. They like to keep a 'hands off' approach [because there are always 2 sides to any dispute] and will deal with any post that might leave them open to litigation...

Pretty fair IMO....
[and oh! they own ALL the threads....]

:@)

petebreeze37 - 24 Mar'04 - 14:22 - 53 of 89595



Regardless of which MM has been manipulating the price down in the last two weeks it has clearly been going on. Just maybe, but probably unlikely, the actions of some people on here complaining and writing to the company and the FSA has made CS/MM's back off.
I find the postings of some of the 'in at the start' posters a little arrogant and would ask them to appreciate that not everyone on here is sat on big profits.

hullman - 24 Mar'04 - 14:25 - 54 of 89595


Lol, is this all some kind of plan to confuse IC? Good luck to any new potential investors trying to find something useful amongst the multiple threads that now exist for BPRG. Personally I think they will just take their money elsewhere. As I consider BB's to offer a decent cross section of any shares ownership, I for one will not be investing any more money in BPRG until I can be sure that it has a half sensible group of shareholders.



melly123 - 24 Mar'04 - 14:27 - 55 of 89595


petebreeze37
i think that you will find that nearly everyone has lost some of their profits
regards mel

vernit - 24 Mar'04 - 14:29 - 56 of 89595


.

PS. davidcod - good luck with the thread. Perhaps you should heed belabed's experience and make it unworkable as soon as you feel it is heading into the abyss rather than pleading for the better nature of posters. 28,000 posts on any one thread is perhaps ridiculous.




lacoquille - 24 Mar'04 - 14:29 - 57 of 89595


pasted here without having asked nick's permission (but don't think he'd mind) -- the important stuff imo starts with the numbers:
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Nick2412 - 21 Mar'04 - 09:55 - 27458 of 28524

Anyone can post whatever they like as far as I am concerned but I do tend to skim over the posts about CS and MM's. The only thing that interest me are deals, revenues, potential bids and progress on the machines and technology developments.

Don't really go a lot on the don't sell your shares posts - people can sell if they want to or buy if they want to. Posts advising people not to sell written in huge letters without any other content probably have an adverse effect as they have an element of panic about them. If they are backed up by solid reasons based on fact then that's different.

I wouldn't be so presumptive to call for those posts to be reduced as my view is that anyone can post what they wish unless it is with a malicious objective of misinforming in order to manipulate the market. On that note I feel IC has entered that territory and he and advfn are on dangerous ground - erroneously suggesting an existing major deal had been cancelled etc etc.

I think the bb's are best used for idle chat, a bit of humour or passing on some useful information that has some semblance of accuracy.

Anyway, the issues I hold firmly in my mind are:-

1) Instututions queued up for 11m shares at 110p and would have liked a further 20m shares at 110p.

2) Nrobe is licensed out with minimum revenues of $160m. The margins on these revenues will be high. Broker notes will give some clues on the margins.

3) Tabwrap is partially licensed out (only to the OTC market) with potential royalties ftom this minority sector of $30m upwards. We await a broader licensing agreement for supplying the pharmaceutical sector which would dwarf even these sizeable figures.

4)Aquafilm is supplying significant revenues for this year with high margin products. This should lead to a profitable year. GH has already stated that downpayments for the OTC deal and of course the anticipated further licensing deal will fall into this year. It is not a question of whether BPRG will be profitable this year - we await the broker notes for a guideline on how profitable this year will be. The following year will of course be the one to produce the revenues of jaw-dropping proportions.

5) £17m in the bank

6) Ostomy licensed out to the biggest player in the $1 billion market who controls nearly 50% of that market with an inferior product to the BPRG bag they will switch to later this year. Regardless of launch date, minimum royalties will start to be paid later this year.

6) We await licensing of Swallow - a technology applicable to a $5 billion market.

7) We know that Aquafilm supplied Cardinal/Scherer for their SEO project and appears to be the only game in town regarding supply. Further research is needed on whether Aquafilm supplied Cardinal for existing needs aside from the SEO project. Bid rumours have stemmed from this but there are other factors.

8) The fact that BPRG are on the verge of licensing Swallow is another reason driving the bid rumours. Will Cardinal/ Scherer watch meekly while their major clients for soft gel capsules switch to XGel? Will they sit passively as their staggering revenues become somewhat less staggering? Unlikely I would have thought.

9)The complete absence of serious competition for all the main XGel technologies. Nothing could highlight this more starkly than the pre-patent site with the likes of Pharmacia-Upjohn specifying BPRG as the source of HPMC non-gelatin capsules.

10) The broker note is due very soon according to Graham Hind and it will follow a major licensing deal. That broker note will of course back up why the placing at 110p was three times over-subscribed with institutions.

I haven't even mentioned the potential for Aquafilm to be applied to Viagra or for Septum (a technology that GH does not rule out licensing this year due to unexpected rapid development) to revolutionise the pharma industry. No need to mention the peripheral low margin multi-billion markets for confectionary, paintball and household products that BPRG declines to tackle at present. Those in the list are the here and now prospects. The hard graft has been done while the company was on the OTC Nasdaq and we can now reap the rewards.

The only concern with this well-funded, multi-patented and deal laden stock is that it will be taken over somewhere between 200p and 300p very short-term.



uppompeii - 24 Mar'04 - 14:31 - 58 of 89595


excellent MrCod, may your shadow grow longer.

sheneeqa - 24 Mar'04 - 14:34 - 59 of 89595



Most on here probably fit the half sensible, only problem is my other half is very silly. Would also add that there is some very savvy investors posting on this thread, its fun sorting the wheat from the chaff...

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 14:41 - 60 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AIMRAIDER

Are we going to have the pleasure of your company at the AGM?

Always good to meet up with bulls of the stock, eh?

THE COUNT!

ecomkid - 24 Mar'04 - 14:42 - 61 of 89595


nice new thread !

Axie_1 - 24 Mar'04 - 14:44 - 62 of 89595 (Filtered)


AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 14:49 - 63 of 89595


-->THE COUNT

I don't honestly know... I have little reason to be there... unlike some companies I find BPRG's openness, frankness and communication skills such, that I believe I will garner all I NEED to know without the journey... I'm sure there will be many there wanting to pump the hand of GH and colleagues but, I have no such desire.

AIMRaider

uppompeii - 24 Mar'04 - 14:49 - 64 of 89595


THE COUNT ! >>>> bioprogress website still shows AGM as TBA - is this still the case....or does anyone know different ?

Benville1 - 24 Mar'04 - 14:50 - 65 of 89595 edit


I would like to use this thread to ask if anyone can give an answer to a query I have relating to a post by Wolstenhulme - (10 Mar'04 - 09:08 - 23632 of 28171 on the other thread)

The post appears to have been cobbled together from the work of other people, so he may not know the answer.

To quote an extract - “Let's just have a little look at what that could mean. It has been reported in various articles that one machine is expected to use £1m of film per year. If we call it $1m to be conservative, and the sort of deals that Bioprogress are doing involve taking a small % of the final sales product value, in addition to the margin made on film production. $1m worth of film would encapsulate approximately $50m. On the basis of 40% margins on film and 3% on the sales value, each machine could generate around $2m profit for BPRG.”



I’ve seen the BPRG statement about one machine using £1 million of film in a year, but the question I have is how has this statement about $50m been arrived at? Can anyone answer this please?

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 14:54 - 66 of 89595


Benville1 - I believe wolsty was on about the fact that BPRG gain royalties off the retail product as well as the film... roughly translated it means they get two bites of the cherry.... %age of $1m for the film and another slice of the $49m of retail value of finished product.....

vernit - 24 Mar'04 - 14:54 - 67 of 89595


I've laid out AIMRaider's post (28464) that shows the weekly volumes of trades against davidcod's daily price chart in the following site:



Now all we need is some clever interpretation. On the face of it, throughout February, the blues (BUYS) are greater than the reds (SALES); and the blues possibly equate to the reds+greens (OTHERS); the reds are definitely less than the blues+greens. Yet the price tumbles 30p. What's missing?




petebreeze37 - 24 Mar'04 - 14:59 - 68 of 89595


Vernit - The MM profit margins if CS's recent annual profit results are anything to go by.

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 15:01 - 69 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AIMRAIDER

What a shame....it would have been really nice to meet up.

But given the amount of time you have personally put into supporting our share price, do you really think it wouldn't be useful to meet many other fellow posters so they can thank you?

You can usually have a good pissup afterwards too.

THE COUNT!

Benville1 - 24 Mar'04 - 15:01 - 70 of 89595 edit


My question was how does he arrive at a figure of $50 million of retail sales from $1 million of film used?

matto - 24 Mar'04 - 15:03 - 71 of 89595


Benville

I don't know that anyone knows what the cost of film in relation to the finished cost of tablets is. For OTCs I have used a figure of 5%, poorold has used a figure 15%, the above indicates 2%. OTCs I imagine are relatively cheap to manufacture and I would expect the encapsulation cost to be a significant part of the whole and 2% seems to small. I used 5% as I thought that was conservative. 2% also appears to be the royalty figure.

For Rx pharmas I would expect the encapsulation to be a less significant part of the manufacturing cost and 2% may be an appropraite figure in that case.

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:05 - 72 of 89595


-->THE COUNT

I got the distinct impression there would be more waiting for me to turn up for a punch up, rather than a piss up... and i'm surprised you felt I had been any support to the share at all. you certainly left the impression that you sided with belabed in my postings.. however, in the event that I am able to come I will let you know.

AIMRaider

2kpromoe - 24 Mar'04 - 15:08 - 73 of 89595


AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:05 - 72 of 72

-->THE COUNT

'I got the distinct impression there would be more waiting for me to turn up for a punch up, rather than a piss up'

LOL! i wonder what would give you that impression? surely your pointless posts dont drive people to have that much hatred towards you?

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:08 - 74 of 89595


Benville

I think you would agree that pharmeceuticals are retailed at extreme prices and I think a reasonable assumption of 50/1 as a margin is not unreasonable to expect in such a market. Therefore if a capsule is sold in say, batches of 20 and that batch is sold for £4.99 and the cost of making the capsules are 10p... then you can see the possibilities of $50m off a single run of film is plausible....

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:11 - 75 of 89595


2kpromoe - please don't take it personally that I decided to take you off my MSN list because I disliked your intention to participate in the racist stuff on the other thread. I'm a very reasonable person and have no time for that shit. Up to that point you were happy for me to post with your blessing... I really don't think my posts are pointless but, inciting or participating in racist drivel is!!!

cockneyron - 24 Mar'04 - 15:12 - 76 of 89595


davidcod I thank you for bringing some sort of sanity back to a BPRG thread.LONG may it last.

ron

fatboy3 - 24 Mar'04 - 15:13 - 77 of 89595


vernit - is it possible, to add your site link into the news box or somewhere just underneath it? TIA

aflynn - 24 Mar'04 - 15:13 - 78 of 89595


The % drop in bprg shares in March is in line with the drop in the ftse index. The market relies on sentiment, an RNS of consequence causes movement. I cannot see the shares move from their current level unless some news jerks it out of the general market trend. I do not subscribe to skullduggery on the mms part as they have to manipulate prices to make money. The fact that BPRG has not really moved into earnings makes the share price that much nore volatile.
Most posters, myself included are going long as our sentiment dictates that BPRG is a winner but others see it as a chance to make money by shorting and day trading the swings, good luck to them: I have always thought that is why we invest, to make money.

Benville1 - 24 Mar'04 - 15:14 - 79 of 89595 edit


Matto

The royalty figures are a separate issue, but you have hit on the point of my question. The retail sales figures per volume of film used will depend on whether the film is encapsulating tablets which retail at say $5 per pack, $7.5 per pack, or $10 per pack etc., and this we don't know. (But it makes a very significant difference ).

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:17 - 80 of 89595


Benville1 - I think Wolsty was just placing an arbitrary figure on the possible value of royalties..[you have to start somewhere] and if this gets used for expensive drugs, eg HIV, then you can see that $50m as a VERY conservative price level....IMO.

2kpromoe - 24 Mar'04 - 15:19 - 81 of 89595


Aimraider--> lol! it was a mistake to even have you on there at the beginning! so please dont flatter yourself. as for the post i put up, no it probably wasnt the right place to be posting it but i'm damn sure it was a better 'read' than any of your posts, if you go back and read it ALL correctly you'll probably find that it wasnt racist at all, it was pointing out correct facts! but i doubt you're up with world affairs given you continuous rambling on this thread. I'm sure i dont only speak for myself when i point out the fact the majority of your posts are pointless and pretty 'crap'. As i said last night, its such a shame that the thread has degenerated into such rubbish nowadays and regular 'informed' posters seem to have moved on. The filter button is mighty useful and now its being used. Ciao, malaka!

aimraider- filtered

Benville1 - 24 Mar'04 - 15:21 - 82 of 89595 edit


AIMRaider (re post 74)

I don't know what the Pharma's mark up is on product, and I don't know whether it is reasonable to assume a mark up of 50/1. That - to me - does seem extreme for OTC products.

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:22 - 83 of 89595


I love this place... what a laugh... :@) where else can you get 23 hours of entertainment out of every day....and make money at the same time...

:@)

nicebut - 24 Mar'04 - 15:22 - 84 of 89595


TC,

I have much to learn and would also value meeting up with some of the pros from ADVFN at the AGM. When is it?





vernit - 24 Mar'04 - 15:22 - 85 of 89595


Davidcod – I would ask that you record the link to the reference/key posts website below in the header, perhaps close to the news list. The site is up and running but may take a couple of weeks before I am ready to suggest adding a significant number of key posts from the old thread and hopefully your thread.

Site reference, in belabed’s header above is:
, (please click on this link or put the link into the address line as written. Typing ‘ into the address will highlight site link in future).

I think AIMRaider and others have tried to sound out this bb for interest in collating the most important/significant posts and, possibly, as yet with not much success. I would like to propose that I create this single site for key posts (say around 100). My initial thoughts are that people can nominate their own posts or others', which, of course, will require those posters' individual agreements to be included.

Individual posters would have to agree to their material being freely usable by others, subject to due acknowledgment. Part posts would be allowed. Expletives, criticism of other posters and the like would need to be excluded. Posts that needed correction in the light of other evidence would be allowed, but reference to 'amended post' included. Inclusion of a post on the site would not guarantee permanence. I might break the list down into historical views, reference material, etc , and in date order for each section, for ease of reference. Selection of material to be included must be left to my discretion in the first instance, but I would look to the collective weight of support/criticism from posters to steer this project forwards.

I welcome constructive comments on this project, with a view to resubmitting this post, duly amended, at intervals.

I would hope that if this project succeeds, that we may be able to get BPRG to adopt it or otherwise endorse its continued existence.

PS. There's nothing for it but to plough through all the posts to seek out those with peer adulation. In the immortal words - 'I may be gone a long time' !


pallister1 - 24 Mar'04 - 15:22 - 86 of 89595


Apparantly Belabeds been banned for being racist!

Wonder who reported him and why?

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:24 - 87 of 89595


Benville - see post 80.. still disagree??? they charge £hundreds for blister packs of HIV drugs... BPRG would get a royalty on those too.. so, I don't think we are just talking retail 'high street' store drugs, but retail 'hospital and prescription' type of drugs too...

:@)

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 15:24 - 88 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AIMRAIDER

Well, if I'm really honest, I would say that I merely went along with what you have been busy telling everyone for what seems to be ages now....that you have been singlehandedly 'supporting' the stock without any help from some of the old and knowledgable farts. It doesn't mean I really believe that you silly boy.

I forgot to put some of the words I used in inverted commas.

By the way, you telling me not to patronise you by calling you 'old bean'....a bit like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?

You have just about abused anybody and everybody....why don't you remind us all about what you said yesterday about the old posters followed by some expletives which I think told us all to 'FUCK OFF' and words to that effect and that we were all pretty much useless now. I can't find the post today so maybe you have edited it.

But do try and change your plans as I would like to meet you.....really I would. It might save me having to write up a post on MMs etc. etc.

I'll keep any others who may want to knock your fucking head clean off away well away from you. But I warn you, at best, I may be able to hold off 2 or 3, but if they riot, we may need some extra help. But if what you tell us is anything to go by, then I am sure that your supporters will outnumber those who simply think you are nothing but a twat, and then we can hold them all back.

THE COUNT!

sheneeqa - 24 Mar'04 - 15:24 - 89 of 89595



Stirring the pot again 2kpromoe, behave.

trumpet - 24 Mar'04 - 15:25 - 90 of 89595


Bought a pack of Neurofen (admittedly expensive local newsagent) - £2.75 for a pack of 16 tablets, not cheap by any standards.

Lot of money in OTC brand leaders.

PS they were for the wife, not me, LOL.


vernit - 24 Mar'04 - 15:25 - 91 of 89595


nicebut - I think the AGM is on the 21st April.

The SEC Form 6-K shows note 12 at the end of the Accounts, as follows. These appear under the '9th Mar 04' entry on the 'mysite' Company info website shown in davidcod's header above.


'12 PUBLICATION OF NON-STATUTORY ACCOUNTS

The consolidated profit and loss account, consolidated balance sheet and consolidated cash flow statement are unaudited and have been extracted from the Group’s financial statements. These financial statements have not yet been delivered to the Registrar, nor have the auditors reported on them.

The Company’s Annual General Meeting (“AGM”) will be held on 21 April 2004 at 11am at the London Capital Club, 15 Abchurch Lane, London EC4N 7BW'.

Benville1 - 24 Mar'04 - 15:29 - 92 of 89595 edit


AIMRaider (re post 80)

I do like to know where people are getting figures from when they make analytical posts, and it does concern me slightly when nobody seems to question what turn out to be arbitrary figures.

Thanks for your replies.

2kpromoe - 24 Mar'04 - 15:30 - 93 of 89595


sheneeqa--> not stirring the pot at all, and certainly not 'again' anyway. If my previoous post didnt relate to this thread then i apologise but it was aimed at Aimraider, seems as though he's pissed up a few too many tree's in the last few days. Again, I apologise to the other users of this thread.

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 15:31 - 94 of 89595


108-112
4 bid 1 offer

tick up imminent

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 15:31 - 95 of 89595


this thread is only 2 hours old and the bickering has started again.

i give up!

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 15:32 - 96 of 89595


109-112
2 bid 1 offer

now going places

trumpet - 24 Mar'04 - 15:32 - 97 of 89595


Vernit.

Reference site - great idea.

Here's one that you may want to put up, gives an indication of timescales, although obviously these can slip and the takeover of Peter Black may have affected things somewhat.


belabed - 25 Jun'03 - 13:14 - 2 of 16673

Here's a copy of the latest email from Graham Hind from a couple of weeks ago.

Thank you for your e mail.

Stability trials on liquid capsules for Evening Primrose, Cod liver Oil are underway and 9 months real time data is required before the products may be put on the retail shelves. So they will not appear until the first half of next year(04).

Stability work on a range of liquid Pharmaceutical products are also nearly complete. These will then undergo a short trial and data captured to provide information for new product license applications. BioProgress proprietary films will then be an integral part of the medicines license for these new products.

Nrobe and Tablet Wrap product trials are also well underway and the first NRobe system will be installed in the first quarter of 04

Best Regards

Graham R. M. Hind
CEO


davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 15:35 - 98 of 89595


now 3 bid 1 offer

now moving how we should be - number of buys easily outweighing the sellers

pyglet - 24 Mar'04 - 15:36 - 99 of 89595


davidcod

Is it not possible to put back the other intraday chart - this one is the wrong scale.


sheneeqa - 24 Mar'04 - 15:36 - 100 of 89595



Best to take any petty squabbles to the old thread, if you are thinking of directly attacking a fellow poster best to do so on the other thread, keep some sanity and self control on this new thread.

sthomson2 - 24 Mar'04 - 15:36 - 101 of 89595


davidcod, who is lone mm on the offer? thanks

aflynn - 24 Mar'04 - 15:37 - 102 of 89595


THE COUNT

Bare knuckles at dawn! There is a big market for people wanting to show off their pugulistic prowess and I believe one can make a good income out of it and it is legal. I am old enough to remember the boxing booths at the travelling fairs but never had the courage to take on the one eared, thick lipped, broken nose, shaven headed thug standing in the ring on the grounds that I did not want to inflict any more injuries upon him. Even more money can be made in the illegal arena of bare knuckle fighting.
Just a couple of suggestions if you are that way inclined.

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 15:37 - 103 of 89595


CS

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 15:38 - 104 of 89595


pyglet - you have a link for a decent intraday chart?

pyglet - 24 Mar'04 - 15:40 - 105 of 89595


Davidcod - I know that but the old intraday chart is a lot better than the 5 day one, do you not think so??

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 15:41 - 106 of 89595


Yes I agree...... what is the link?

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:41 - 107 of 89595


-->THE COUNT

Nicely put.... I might just decide to turn up after all.... but, I wouldn't think you have much too worry about I rarely bite through to the bone......

I never said anywhere that I had singlehandely held up the morale of the thread.. but, unlike you - I WAS there supporting while you were ...ummmh! oh Yes!!! busy!!!

I do find your arrogant attitude a bit rich... particularly as I also know you cannot speak without 'effing this and 'effing that.... bit limited really I suppose...

lol!!!

Still - adds entertainment to a dull day.... and gets your sap rising, which has to be a good thing.... looking forward to your post on MM's... I am always happy to learn..... especially from the Master!!!!

AIMRaider

V11SLR - 24 Mar'04 - 15:44 - 108 of 89595


All - the AGM is indeed the 21st April. Details are given at the end of the annual report.

"The Company’s Annual General Meeting (“AGM”) will be held on 21 April 2004 at 11am at the London Capital Club, 15 Abchurch Lane, London EC4N 7BW."

Andy M

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:45 - 109 of 89595


I will put it in my Diary.... :@D

sheneeqa - 24 Mar'04 - 15:45 - 110 of 89595



Remember you can take the boy out of the country, but you can not take the country out of the boy. Nice to see blue.

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 15:50 - 111 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AIMRAIDER

Just took a leaf out of your book, that's all.

I am really rolling around on the floor now though....you finding my attitude a bit rich....have you been reading any of your posts over the last week or two?

I think you have really gone to town on the waccy baccy.

By the way, how exactly were you there 'supporting' our stock. Believe me, if that were even remotely true, I would have probably given you as much support as you could ask for.

But coming onto a thread and having a go at just about anyone who could put together more than a one liner with a large word size and then having a go at them all for not supporting you indicates that your head is so far up your arse that the resulting lack of oxygen has scrambled your brains somewhat.

THE COUNT!

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:52 - 112 of 89595


-->The COUNT

are you belabed??? your beginning to sound like him...

:@)

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 15:53 - 113 of 89595


intraday chart!!!!

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 15:54 - 114 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AIMRAIDER

No....are you a bellend....the same stuff comes out of your mouth as comes out of the helmet.

THE COUNT!

BertieBru - 24 Mar'04 - 15:55 - 115 of 89595


COUNT

Come on. Let's have some analysis, as AIM was giving us a few posts back. We know you are more than capable of bringing up something original. Let's be havin' it.

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 15:57 - 116 of 89595


-->THE COUNT

Now your behaving silly.. I can see this deteriorating and your losing your sense of perspective... Shall I ignore you for now until you chill a little???

You can always ring me you know??? or email me lesk4@hotmail.com.. it might not be good for the old blood pressure to wait until 21st.....

AIMRaider

BertieBru - 24 Mar'04 - 15:57 - 117 of 89595


Davidcod

Great header.

doglover2003 - 24 Mar'04 - 15:57 - 118 of 89595




Statistics on OTC drug sales

lacoquille - 24 Mar'04 - 15:58 - 119 of 89595


hot damn, david! now pleeeeeeeeze shrink them all ?? pretty pleeeze??

aim/count -- tryin' to destroy this board before it's really up and running? why not take your fights back to the other one.



monts12 - 24 Mar'04 - 15:58 - 120 of 89595


The Count!
Agreed
This AIMRaider character has p*ssed off a lot of people with his pointless and often abusive posts, in fact I have never come acrossa more hated poster anywhere. These type of people are usually pathetic and socially inadequate in real life hence they get an enormous feeling of power when they can anonymously spout abuse at other posters and delude themselves that they're extremely clever and popular when they post continuous total and utter bullshit on ADVFN.
So don't expect this pathetic coward to reveal himself in his true light. Sorry for the extra noise,just wanted to get it off my chest.
AIMRaider you are filtered so don't bother to (predictably) abuse me, you saddo.

aflynn
LOL



davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 15:59 - 121 of 89595


i'm working on it!!

trying to establish how to how 2 charts either side of each other

give me time!

lacoquille - 24 Mar'04 - 16:00 - 122 of 89595


also david ... the red line for yesterday's close ??

back behind the ficus I'll go -- or as mots says, I'll get me coat.

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 16:02 - 123 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AIMRAIDER

You are joking....you are surely not the same LESK that got wiped out 'SUPPORTING' Motion Media for the last couple of years. Has the stock reached zero pence yet?

If that is the sort of support we can rely on, then God help us, I think I'm going to start dumping my stock.

THE COUNT!

lacoquille - 24 Mar'04 - 16:02 - 124 of 89595


time you've got! thanks again for what's gotta be a weird way to spend the morning (or evenin').

BertieBru - 24 Mar'04 - 16:03 - 125 of 89595


Monts12

.Could you do us a 9 line estimation of revenues resulting from existing RNSs, please.

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 16:06 - 126 of 89595


-->THE COUNT - lol!!! Yes! I supported it for two years... am I now supporting a dog share??? your in it!!.... hmmmh!!! does that make it a dog??? hmmh!! going to think about that one... anyway.. we seem to be jangling on peoples nerves... suggest you email me and I will give you my phone number... we can take it from there.. offthread....



The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 16:07 - 127 of 89595


THE COUNT--->ALL

Ok, that's enough from me on this thread.

I'll call it a day for now. I may just email my 'buddy' instead so we can take this offline.

THE COUNT!

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 16:09 - 128 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AIMRAIDER

Irony and wit are obviously not your strong points....mind you, your thousands of one liners are testimony to that.

And I actually felt sorry for you over at MMD.

THE COUNT!

monts12 - 24 Mar'04 - 16:12 - 129 of 89595


BertieBru
Can I point you to an excellent post by Poorold (on the "old" thread) in relation to this. This should go some way to answering your question.
I think the main variable in his calculations was the (as yet unknown) margins on the revenue

Regards
monts


AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 16:13 - 130 of 89595


lacoquille - sorry...:@\ but, one cannot ignore a Count can one... it's not proper... however, in deference to the thread I will refuse to respond to any personal comments in future and leave it to you lot to add your voices, or ignore... whatever... I would much rather concentrate on BPRG...

:@)

aflynn - 24 Mar'04 - 16:14 - 131 of 89595


Aimraider, THE COUNT

I hope that was the bell for the 15 Round and as referee I call it a draw. Rematch when bprg shares reach 8.88 GBP. You will both be able to buy "golden" gloves then.

melly123 - 24 Mar'04 - 16:15 - 132 of 89595


THE COUNT-AIMRaider
maybe we could all do with some of that wacky baki
pass the bong, lets chill.
the count
i found a couple of amusing pics that made me think of you due to remarks in some of your posts, hope they don't offend
regards mel.

how you must have felt when you first invested into bprg when things did not look so good





vernit - 24 Mar'04 - 16:15 - 133 of 89595


davidcod (121) - is a clue to create a table of two columns and one row and put a chart in each box?


jan-mar - 24 Mar'04 - 16:16 - 134 of 89595


anyone up for staying in london after the AGM a few beers and a meal

davidcod - 24 Mar'04 - 16:16 - 135 of 89595


lol - vernit, how?

Neo Anderson - 24 Mar'04 - 16:16 - 136 of 89595


Neo ---> The Count!, AIM!

Can we keep this on thread?, it's just getting interesting and there you go saving everyone's feelings. Perhaps I speak for the silent majority when I say 'keep it here'.

Personally I'd take melly on with one arm behind my back, he's a lilly-livered white feather if ever I saw one..lol.

Kind Regards.

Wooden Spoon Anderson (shouting 'fight fight' in the background)

melly123 - 24 Mar'04 - 16:17 - 137 of 89595


The Count
how you must have felt when you hit the mill.



vernit - 24 Mar'04 - 16:18 - 138 of 89595


aflynn (102) - You are never too old - there was a report on the telly last week that bare-knuckle boxing bouts are alive and well particularly amongst the travelling community, where each party putting up £10k and fighting for the total purse is not unheard of.

Neo Anderson - 24 Mar'04 - 16:20 - 139 of 89595


FAO Melly:



Kael - 24 Mar'04 - 16:20 - 140 of 89595


just in case youi havent heard, bombs found on train system in France

vernit - 24 Mar'04 - 16:21 - 141 of 89595


davidcod (135) - I would try it in Word2000, but I know nothing. Ask one of the other thread header posters?

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 16:22 - 142 of 89595


Neo, sorry it seems that more people dislike it, than like it.. personally I don't want davidcod getting the hump and making the thread 1200 wide and me having to speedread shakespeare with a scottish accent

The Count is, I understand very verbose and will, if he rings me, make sure I'm fully in the picture.... I'm sure tempers will cool when the share price goes back up... putting the current situation down to frayed nerves..... something i'm good at standing on, it seems...

:@)



Garbil - 24 Mar'04 - 16:22 - 143 of 89595


davidcod - "you can please some of the people all of the time..etc

Personally, think you've done a great job. Thank you.

aflynn - I scored the bout to Aim. Too many of TC's blows were below the belt.

BertieBru - 24 Mar'04 - 16:22 - 144 of 89595


Saw a bloke on the TV today who still plays rugby well into his 80s.

Edit: THE COUNT Was that you?

melly123 - 24 Mar'04 - 16:25 - 145 of 89595


neo
talking about languages here is one especially for you don't want to leave you out do we
lol



aflynn - 24 Mar'04 - 16:26 - 146 of 89595


vernit

At that money I think i will come out of retirement.

Neo Anderson - 24 Mar'04 - 16:26 - 147 of 89595


FAO David Cod.

To get the intra-day chart copy this into a seperate line on the header

Charts

This will pick up the EPIC from the thread set-up and will produce the intra-day for BPRG.

AIM..Aye. I'm not sure what the answer is, some people annoy other people and we have to deal with it. Personally I see melly and the trouble maker geoffArnold as the criminals here, I've seldom come up against such a pair of antagonists.

Kind Regards to all good posters everywhere.

Noise Anderson

sheneeqa - 24 Mar'04 - 16:26 - 148 of 89595




Maybe recommend a look at one of the original bprg threads, for an idea of the research and work put into learning about this company. To me they are the real guru,s in the discovery of this fine company, they were all in at around the beginning and now sitting on a fat cushion of profits, where are they now,
still probably holding and too busy to post inane comments on here as they are probably researching and investing in the next best thing, take a note of their
names they might lead you to the next best thing. Forget the blowhards, rampers and derampers, those original posters are focused and rarely have time to get themselves involved in stupid arguements, they are too busy making money.

AIMRaider - 24 Mar'04 - 16:26 - 149 of 89595


lol!!! :@)

melly - be nice!!!! :@D

The Count - 24 Mar'04 - 16:29 - 150 of 89595


THE COUNT--->AFLYNN

Sorry, I knew I shouldn't have got involved but I've been holding myself back for days but thought today was as good a day as any to open my mouth.

Yes, I don't think anybody would mind a rematch when the stock reaches 8.88 GBP. All golden handbags at dawn more like followed by morning tea at Claridges.

As to your comments earlier about bare knuckle....that certainly would not be my style no matter how much money is involved. I'm afraid I would only really risk having my brains scrambled if I was cornered somewhere.....anything else and I just swing my heavy (although not so much nowadays) ball sac around instead.

I know there is a lot of money in it...I knew a couple of boys that used to get involved when I was young and innocent and growing up in deepest, darkest Tottenham. I also knew one guy who used to just fight without any rules....he used to be a paper boy for my friends' shop and then one day, he just seemed to sprout up. He used to show us how he used to toughen up his shins by rolling iron bars up and down the shin bone to turn his shins into weapons also....ouch! He did also spend a little time at one of 'HM hotels'.

I think he was unbeaten to this day but I'm not sure if he is still alive. It wouldn't surprise me if someone hasn't unloaded a double barrel into him....he did 'injure' quite a few people in his time.

I'm just glad I got out of there.

THE COUNT!



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