With respect to all sensible contributors, please can we stop turning either of these threads into a farce.
Everyone seems to want to filter everyone else or start an argument and then try and justify various debates.
Ego's are running rampant.
There should be no 'leader' associated to any thread. If anyone is blatantly rude or ruining the thread then it is only sensible for the author to get rid of such posts or posters where possible for the integrity of the thread.
Besides gb (who most of us realise to be a genuine problem poster going back over past 12 mths) can the rest of us at least try and be pleasant to each other.
I suspect, many, like myself, have stopped visiting these threads as often as we use to (I now only post on the odd occasion) because of the childish bickering.
If you disagree with a poster then it's easy to express your disagreement in a respectful mature adult manner – or ultimately just agree to disagree. Readers will recognise which poster is behaving untoward.
It’s hardly worth being abusive or rude towards another poster on an alias based BB.
There are a lot of sensible posters on both threads and some useful information shared.
Pleeeeeeease, lets restore some sanity back into these threads.