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mountain mountain 14 years ago
Jester- looking for other high paying dividend stocks any suggestions?
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bharveyalamos bharveyalamos 14 years ago
NO ! ! If you read the agreement, which is posted on several sites, it is a cash transaction and will be $ 10.00 per share in Canadian Dollars. That is about $ 9.54 USD because the CAD exchange rate is about $ 1.045 CAD to $ 1 USD. This deal is going to be over with on December 22, 2009, if the stockholders are crazy enough to give Harvest Energy a 66% approval vote at the December stock holders meeting. I sold out yesterday at $ 9.43 because that is close to what KNOC will pay you for your shares and if the stock holders turn down this merger, the stock will have a sinking rate like a 20 lb rock dropped from a jet airplane at 40,000 feet !

Now your have the "Rest Of The Story" ! !
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bharveyalamos bharveyalamos 14 years ago
I have a lot of share of HTE and it is my understanding that KNOC has offer $ 10.00 per share and that it will be a cash transaction and it will be done before December 31, 2009. All they are waiting on is a 66% approval by the shareholders. I have ben in touch via e-mail with Harvest Energy and there will be a special meeting sometime this month of the shareholders to vote. You can also vote your stock on the internet. Your stock broker should send you a password number to vote.
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mlkrborn mlkrborn 14 years ago
JESTER; i wonder if Koreans will let it trade to public/
tia
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mlkrborn mlkrborn 14 years ago
Up $2s on news to be acquired by the south Korean firm:

Korea's KNOC buying Canada's Harvest for $3.9 bln
11:08p ET October 21, 2009 (MarketWatch)

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) -- Canada's Harvest Energy Trust said late Wednesday its has agreed to sell itself to Korea National Oil Corp. for 4.1 billion Canadian dollars ($3.92 billion) in cash and debt payments.

Harvest said KNOC would pay 10 Canadian dollars a share in cash and assume 2.3 billion Canadian dollars in existing debt.

The deal would be the largest acquisition of a foreign oil firm by a South Korean company, according to Dow Jones Newswires.

The acquisition terms represent a 47% premium over Harvest's 30-day weighted average trading price, the company said.

Shares of Alberta-based Harvest closed down 0.1% at 7.30 Canadian dollars in Toronto and up 1% at $7.01 in the New York Wednesday, ahead of the announcement.

The deal, which still faces regulatory and shareholder approval, includes a 100 million Canadian dollar non-completion fee for KNOC if the transaction doesn't go through.

The Korean firm will also have five business days to match any competing offers before the closing of the deal, expected in December.

KNOC President Young-won Kang was quoted in the Harvest statement as saying his company "believes Harvest is a perfect fit for KNOC's North American growth strategy. KNOC has ambitious plans for future growth and is committed to a long term investment strategy in Canada."

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JammingJAY JammingJAY 15 years ago
HTE just appeared on my radar.

I like the dividend.I just like dividends. ;)
Look in my post history for a little shipper and check that dividend. The partnership is paying over 14% at the close today.

I'm sure you will like.

I'll have a position here soon.

Good luck to us.

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mlkrborn mlkrborn 15 years ago
Yes LINE.. sorry..
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Good luck, should your last post be corrected to Linn Energy, LLC (LINE)?
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mlkrborn mlkrborn 15 years ago
Jester; TU.. Have to make a decision between HTE and LIEN.. GL2U
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Average Cost is current at $12.409. I bought in at $19.65 (382 shares), and then at $8.25 (120 shares) and $5.00 (218 shares). Fifty shares received from Dividends over the years.

No other Oil or Gas Investments.
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mlkrborn mlkrborn 15 years ago
Jester; what is your average if i may? are you in other similar oil+gas entities?
tia
GL
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
A BRIEF HISTORY OF CANADIAN INCOME TRUSTS

In the late 90s, Canadian economic reforms spawned an ideal business structure to encourage economic development of barely profitable energy assets, the Energy Income Trust (aka Canadian Royalty Trust, or Canroy). It was a smashing success for creating wealth and prosperity because:

1. It created a new way for income investors to play energy. Like Master Limited Partnerships and S-Corporations in the U.S., there was no tax at the entity level, with income and expense passed straight through to the unit holders. Distributed income was a deductible expense.

Thus the trusts could get a much higher proportion of their income to investors than corporations. Income not needed for ongoing operation and development went to the investors, usually 60%-70% of distributable income. While these distributions were less steady than those of large energy producers because they varied directly with energy prices, the far higher yields (typically 3-4 times higher) justified the risks. Individuals, pension funds, and other income oriented investors piled seeking exceptionally high returns poured in.

2. It spurred growth in energy development. It allowed capital-hungry exploration companies holding mature oil and gas properties to monetize those assets by selling them for cash to these trusts. The explorers could now afford the billions in capex needed to rapidly expand production via:

a. Investing in equipment to extend the useful lives of more inaccessible sources

b. Drill and upgrade “probable” reserves to “proven” ones and thus extend the reserve lives of these energy trusts

3. It helped grow the Canadian economy. It attracted billions from income investors for expansion of energy production industry, one of the mainstays of the Canadian economy. Rising energy prices made these investments more profitable, compounding the growth of the Canadian energy industry and its contribution to the economy.

Soon, other mature corporations that could not attract growth investors realized that they too could attract income investor funds by converting to income trusts. As regular corporations, any dividends they paid were subject to an onerous 41% withholding tax. The size of income trust industry grew from a few billion to $80 billion.

Fearing a reduction in tax revenue (for “necessary” government programs) if this movement continued, the ruling Conservative party broke its promise to leave the trusts alone and on Halloween night 2006 truly kept with the scary tone of the date and announced changes that will force trusts to convert to corporations and be taxed at much higher rates discussed below. Overnight, $20 billion was frightened away from the trusts, as was an undetermined amount of future energy development. Prices recovered due to rising energy prices, but have since receded to decade lows, due to both energy price declines and the impending higher tax and uncertainty it creates about ultimate yields on each individual trust.

Why they didn’t simply reduce the high taxation on corporate dividends and continue to encourage investment and growth is beyond the scope of this article. They did it.

6. WHAT THE NEW TAX MEANS FOR INVESTORS IN CANADIAN INCOME TRUSTS
So, now what?

Since I’m writing for investors not accountants, I’ll minimize the technical aspects and focus on the ramifications for investors. Consult your tax advisor for details regarding your specific situation.

Assuming the legislation remains in its current form (?), here are the key points.

A. The Worst Case Scenario
The total federal and provincial tax on distributions will be 29.5% in 2011, and 28% in 2012.The tax will apply only to distributions of income, not to returns of capital. Most trust distributions are considered qualified dividends for U.S. investors and thus are taxed at 15%.

It’s unclear as of this writing how much, if any, of the Canadian tax could be treated as a tax credit for U.S. investors. The IRS does give a tax credit via filing form 1116 for the current 15% Canadian withholding tax for foreign investors. If that’s any guide, U.S. investors can expect at least some relief to get them closer to the 15% qualified dividends level.

I haven’t gotten clarification as of this writing. Has anyone heard anything definitive about U.S. tax credits for Canadian taxes withheld on dividends of U.S investors when that tax rises above 15% in 2011?

Thus the worst case scenario for U.S. investors is a total tax increase on distributions close to about 30%. Does 70% of the current yield seem acceptable to you? If so, read no further. In fact, for many trusts bought at current prices and distributions, the yield is still relatively high for the risk involved.

B. The Likely Case
The good news is that none of the trusts I’ve mentioned expect to be paying anything close to the worst case rate, due to one or more of the above factors. At a 2007 Money Show in Washington, one trust claimed it would pay only around 6.5% tax.

The actual tax paid will vary with each individual trust. For full details, consult the Management’s Discussion and Analysis of recent financial statements available on each trust’s web site.

C. The Key Variables
The main factors that will ultimately determine the tax on each trust include:

Tax Pools: Many trusts have tax pools that will keep the tax low for a number of years, depending on the type and amount of tax pools.

Depreciation and other non-cash deductible expenses: To the extent that cash distributions exceed taxable income, these distributions become tax exempt “returns of capital” (though these returns of capital reduce your cost basis and thus possibly increase tax on capital gains if any exist when you sell the shares). Some trusts have higher depreciation and other non cash expenses than others, so more of their distribution will be exempt from tax. For example, the below mentioned Great Lakes Hydro Income Fund (GLHIF.PK) has a distribution that is about half return of capital due to its huge depreciation expenses, thus cutting its tax bill in half without even considering tax pools or foreign energy production.
Foreign production: Others like Vermillion Energy Trust (VETMF.PK) have production assets outside of Canada. Revenues from these are exempt from tax. Expect all others to at least consider this option, which bodes well for development in the nearby and familiar U.S., at the expense of Canada.
Certain high yielders are exempt from the new tax, such as previously covered Atlantic Power Corporation (ATPWF.PK). It’s a Canadian company, but it’s organized as a corporation issuing income deposit securities, not as a trust. REIT income trusts are specifically exempt from the new tax, like soon to be discussed Canadian Apartment Properties REIT (CDPYF.PK), Northern Property REIT (NPRUF.PK), RIOCAN REIT (RIOCF.PK).

All will be seeking to exploit the above and any other means to reduce their tax bill.

D. Yield and Price Appreciation Matter More than Tax
Remember that for those buying at current decade-plus low prices and distributions, when energy prices recover to 2008 highs and beyond, the yields and prices on these will also recover, meaning between two to three times increase from current levels, making even the worst case tax far more palatable.

For example, if current distribution share price were $100 and the annual distribution is $10, worst case it becomes $5.50 (combined 30% Canadian and 15% U.S with no U.S. tax credit). With all other factors (production levels, expenses, etc) remaining the same, a recovery to 2008 levels brings that $5.50 to anywhere from $11 to $16.50 (i.e. 11%-16.5%) and the share prices also rising 200-300%. Some of these energy trusts, like Provident Energy Trust (PVX) have fallen 4 to 5 times, and thus could see an increase of that same magnitude.

E. Possible Future Scenarios
Hey, 2 years is a long time in politics. It’s possible there will be future tax changes on at least some trusts due to:

Pressure to increase investment in energy production.

Preferential tax treatment worked before. Yes, $200/barrel oil prices would also do the trick, but no one wants the economic damage that the implied supply shortages entail, at least not if they can avoid it with intelligent energy policy.

Pressure from Retirees and their pension funds: A growing population of retirees hungry for yields causes further tax reduction on trusts. Indeed, the trusts were a factor in the greater health Canada’s pension funding.

Takeovers from foreign companies: Continued share price weakness could lead to foreign takeovers of some of these trusts, as happened with PWI. It’s unclear how foreign ownership would affect their tax status, and even if it did lower the tax burden, how the Canadian government would respond to a wave of foreign takeovers.

Link - http://seekingalpha.com/article/129059-2011-a-canadian-tax-odyssey-canadian-income-trust-investors-guide
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Yep, I've been in for a couple of years. Holding the shares in my ROTH (319 shares) and 401K (447 shares) retirement accounts. I have no reason to sell now or in the future.
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mlkrborn mlkrborn 15 years ago
JESTER THNX. SOLVED IT FOR ME..R U in?
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mlkrborn mlkrborn 15 years ago
$4.85
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mlkrborn mlkrborn 15 years ago
QUESTIONs For Longs:

How does energy trust work? Do they own any physical assets; drill;refine, sell oil and gas? (This is answered in part in IHUB box)
Is HTE--as a matter of fact all energy trusts-- a ponzi scheme as some argue in YMB? For example they sold shares in june and PAID BACK DEBT AND DISTRIBUTED 5 CENTS ..
How come dividend did not increase that much even when OIL prices were at historical highs?
Are there better alternatives to HTE?
Are there any longterm investors here?
Fair value to get in? (dont give me the price you want to sell at.. hehehehe)
tia
GLLs
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Just drinking FREE coffee and collecting the Div checks...no more no less.
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quickrick quickrick 15 years ago
I'm betting your right Jester. By the way, why is this board so dead? I came over from Yahoo for another stock where the junk messages had overwhelmed the board. This board is much more civilized.
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
On the way to mid-teens by the end of the year...
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Watching and collecting my DIV's on my 500 shares for the next twenty years.
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dealorfx dealorfx 15 years ago
heading on up....


accumulating for the teens.....



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dealorfx dealorfx 15 years ago
HTE rocking the dock............




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dealorfx dealorfx 15 years ago
buy signals on HTE forming

Im in for the duration...............


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dealorfx dealorfx 15 years ago
planning on buying monday, I would have on friday, but I was


busy rebalancing my portfolio out of options and profit
taking. Monday still seems ok to add a nice position in HTE.

chart says it most, I'd target $5 first, then see what happens.

plan your trade and trade your plan.

good luck to all

Alex-aka-dfx
,,,,,$$$$$

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RBKissMyAs RBKissMyAs 15 years ago
Picked it up again yesterday. Hope this time it holds.
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benzdealeror2 benzdealeror2 15 years ago
Getting close.
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
It's all a matter of time before Oil and Harvest returns to it's former GLORY. GOOD-LUCK
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Camronmon Camronmon 15 years ago
Classic.... couldn't have said it better myself. If oil gets over $50.00 and stays above that point, I'll probably get back into Harvest.

Camronmon
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
I back the TRUCK up at $19, $9 and the $3.75....



...this OLD truck is READY to RUN.
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analogdog analogdog 15 years ago
could be....
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Is Harvest Energy Trust's Premium Valuation Justified?

by: One Blog March 04, 2008

Harvest Trust Energy (HTE), a Canadian Oil and Natural Gas royalty trust formed in 2002, had its initial public offering [IPO] on December 5, 2002. It raised $34.5M at $8 per share then and a secondary offering in February 2003 raised another $15M at $10 per share. The trust also initiated its monthly dividend distribution immediately after the IPO. The distribution started at 20c per share and progressively went up to 38c per share and remained at that level for a couple of years before the recent slash to 30c per share.

The business plan at IPO was to acquire mature properties and eke out additional value by using production enhancement and optimization efforts. The initial acquisitions were mature oil producing properties in Eastern Alberta. Since then, the company diversified into natural gas properties although production is weighted 70% in favor to oil. In October 2006, they acquired North Atlantic refinery for C$1.6B.

HTE is structured as a Canadian Royalty Trust (CanRoy) and has a monthly dividend distribution policy. CanRoys have certain tax advantages that are set to expire by 2011. The company announced a 20% dividend cut in mid-November, which prompted an immediate sell off. The yield is now close to 15%.

Business Issues
Harvest Trust Energy classifies itself as an integrated energy company reflecting their presence in both the upstream and downstream businesses. This is a moot point though, as logistical issues prevent them from using the oil produced in their refinery. The refinery needs around 110,0000 bbls per day while upstream production is only about half of that. Further, the feedstock requirement is medium sour crude oil while the production is spread-out over light, medium, heavy oil, and natural gases.

Considering the refinery output to be around 115,000 bbls per day, the acquisition price for North Atlantic Refinery can be broken down to be around 14000 per flowing barrel. This price was at the upper end for refineries at the time. The rest of the business is valued at about $3.6B.

The company also employs an extensive hedging strategy. It is planned such that there is only minimal or no cost in a low price environment, when Harvest would otherwise be less able to afford the cost of such ‘insurance’.

The three types of hedging in place are:

Crude Oil Hedges for Upstream,
Refined Product Hedges for Downstream, and
Currency Exchange Rate Hedges.

Currency hedging is essential to mitigate the operational risk of costs being in the local currency (Canadian dollars) while the revenue is in US dollars. The complex nature of the remaining hedging types indicates more of a throwback to hedging strategies employed by the acquired companies rather than an optimized strategy allowing for the business risks. Specifically, a much simpler strategy should be worked out, which takes into account the fact that roughly half of the feedstock requirements for the refinery need not be hedged since production is in that range.

Harvest along with other Canadian royalty trusts is negatively affected by a Canadian tax law change that comes into effect in the 2011 timeframe for existing trusts. When the tax-exempt status on distributions expires, the trusts will pay taxes like other regular corporations. The probable scenario then is for Harvest to act like a regular corporation with the lion share of its cash flow going for capital expenditures to fund future growth as opposed to distributions. Similarly the shareholder base will also experience a shift from income-oriented investors to growth-oriented investors prior to that timeframe.

Provincial royalties also has an impact on Harvest. Specifically, Alberta recently unveiled plans for increased royalties in the 2010 timeframe and Harvest has a major portion of its upstream business in the area. The counter measure from the company was to reduce capital expenditures in the area. While this can help send a message to regulators, the company needs to organize itself better for a high-tax scenario.

Outlook
Harvest’s upstream oil and gas production is weighted approximately 73% in crude oil and liquids and 27% in natural gas, and is complemented by its long-life refining and marketing business. The company’s current focus is on sustainability. Weak natural gas, high cost in western Canada upstream business, royalty framework increases in Alberta, and the strength of the Canadian dollar are the current challenges facing the Harvest. The company’s course is to adapt by implementing a growth strategy using very selective capex investments.

HTE’s sustainable growth strategy in its upstream business is dependent on its access to over 2B BOE of reserve. The recovery is less than 30% and the contention is that 20M will be added to its Proven and Probable [P&P] reserves for every one-percentage increase in recovery using technological advancements. Since that amounts to 10% of the existing P&P reserves the potential is huge. The execution of this strategy requires high oil prices, as its OOIP reserves are either mature properties or oil sands, both of which are capital intensive. The downstream business is by nature highly cyclical as indicated by the crack spread.

The company is valued in the high end of CanRoys. This premium valuation is somewhat justified, given its oil weighting and refinery diversification. The dependency of the company’s prospects on the highly cyclical refinery crack spreads and uncertainties surrounding the royalty and tax effects should together keep the shares volatile for the foreseeable future. It should act as a good trading stock in diversified stock portfolios.
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Not today - but maybe in a few months
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
A few more months and the sweetness will return
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Time to back up the truck
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Your bottom is here
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Yep - that why the stock is in a FREEFALL - time to average down or WASH sale depending upon where it's being held. GOOD-LUCK
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Jester_Vandalay Jester_Vandalay 15 years ago
Bought some more shares for my Retirement acocunts - holding for the Long-term.
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Camronmon Camronmon 15 years ago
We'll know after the close Monday night.
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doc4261 doc4261 15 years ago
so did they cut the divi??
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contractor10940 contractor10940 15 years ago
all divy payers have slashed, they have to to conserve cash. The financial meltdown has caused ripple effects thru everything. I'm kind of surprised but not really since theres a glut of O&G with Obama tapping into the strategic reserves.

Hey divy's are still being paid monthly, cant complain too much, lol.
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19cougar73 19cougar73 15 years ago
more like $8+ with the Div. they give out I really can't figure this out...... still holding but not happy
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contractor10940 contractor10940 15 years ago
what happened? were'nt these guys trading in the $7.00 range not too long ago???
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19cougar73 19cougar73 15 years ago
picked up some HTE for the Div. but price still dropping
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benzdealeror2 benzdealeror2 15 years ago
Looking for a bottom.
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contractor10940 contractor10940 15 years ago
Cutting divy's reserving cash seems to be the norm these days with spot prices so low, especially during this financial meltdown thats still happening. We're going to need a couple of years to get to the speculative spot prices from last summer, imo its coming whether we like it or not, when is the question.
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Camronmon Camronmon 15 years ago
So is anyone getting in at these prices??? I've picked up over 1000 shares in the past week, averaged to about $8.00 a share.

I look at HTE this way, either they leave the distribution alone and I rake in a killer dividend, or they cut the distribution and the PPS jumps like most other companies lately that have cut Dividends.

Camronmon
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contractor10940 contractor10940 15 years ago
Harvest Energy and Other Canadian Trusts Expected to Cut Distribution

http://seekingalpha.com/article/118624-harvest-energy-and-other-canadian-trusts-expected-to-cut-distribution?source=yahoo
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RBKissMyAs RBKissMyAs 15 years ago
How about 9? I picked it back up @8.35.
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contractor10940 contractor10940 15 years ago
lol, Dreams do come true.....

week after X-mas the $8.00's should be dancing
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OptionMonster OptionMonster 15 years ago
Hoping for $8's again
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